Why I'm for Ron Paul instead of Mitt Romney (Latter-day Saint)

Connor's Conundrums ^ | March 14, 2007 | Connor Boyack

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Well, it was your post. I guess I just figured you were externalizing your appetites...

[LeGrande]

A lot of monetarists believe that a currency must be based on a tangible (natural) object that has a stable value, such as gold. The underlying flaw with this theory is that with things like gold, there is a finite supply, and shifts in market demand could/would create wild fluctuations with the value of said currency. You could actually see daily inflationary or deflationary changes in prices simply because of the change in purchasing power of said currency. We haven't seen much of this trend in the price recently (albeit, we are running a reverse correlation of the price of gold and inflation lately) but imagine what would happen if we go back to a gold based currency how the demand of the commodity would effect price. It would actually hurt gold investors too because the rise in gold would be directly reflected in the purchasing power of their dollar, and thus, would make an increase flat with their purchase.

I agree completely, it bears repeating.

[Oberon]

Again - It is unquestionable that the Oct 2002 vote was a Congressional authorization for the President to use force. In simple terms, that is known as war.

That's like saying that shacking up is the same as getting married. You can say it all you like, but that doesn't make it true.

[TheKidster]

and, on Iraq, Ron Paul was right...its time for some of my holdout conservative compatriot brothers to recognize this

I do, but I think it's too late now, we have to see this through, plus that oil money should be ours until our cost of this war has been paid back. I think that's a very fair trade for funding the Iraqi people's revolution.

[Oberon]

Your analogy to units of temperature fails because those are measurements. Your analogy would be more appropriate to the interest rate determining the value.

My analogy was to clarify the intent of my question...I already knew that the dollar was fiat money, just as I knew that a degree Celsius is a measure of temperature. What I wanted to know is how the value of the dollar is determined. In short, my question was 'What's a dollar?' but not in the 'it's a unit of fiat money' sense.

[LeGrande]

Well...its not what it used to be...when the money supply is increased as rapidly as the supply of US dollars is...its causes inflation...which is just another tax...this one on savings...to support out-of-control government spending

I don't think we disagree too much. Inflation is a tax. In fact in a very old post I proposed the abolishment of taxes and suggested that the government be allowed to create money based on GDP growth. It would work if the government was much, much smaller : )

A little inflation is a good thing.

[ASH71]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul200.html

You mean the Ron Paul who is a 911 Trooother?

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Ron Paul is a friend of FR and Jim even lets his Republican Liberty Caucus run their forum here at FR.

In fairness to Jim Robinson -- while he has welcomed the Republican Liberty Caucus to his Forum, he has also stated that his own personal Political Philosophy is closer to the Decentralized-Federalism of the National Federation of Republican Assemblies, than the exuberant Libertarianism of the Republican Liberty Caucus.

Thus, note my principle Endorsement of Ron Paul (underneath the OP blurb):

In 2008, I'm voting for the REAGAN REPUBLICAN. I'm voting for former Vietnam Combat Flight Surgeon, and Leader of Ronald Reagan's Electoral Delegation from Texas: In 2008, I'm Voting for RON PAUL!

"The greatest champion of conservative principles we have seen in Congress in the past quarter century."
(David T. Pyne, Esq., Vice President of the National Federation of Republican Assemblies)

[Revenge of Sith]

"If we're going to fight a War, don't you think it should be done Constitutionally?"

The Constitution doesn't prescribe a specific manner how war should be declared. John Adams during the Quasi War, Thomas Jefferson during the First Barbary War and James Madison during the Second Barbary War, all used military force with Congressional authorization, but not a formal declaration of war.

[LeGrande]

You're certainly entitled to your beliefs. Would you OBJECT to Ron's initial proposal for a total elimination of all Sales and Capital Gains Taxes on the exchange of Gold? If you're right, and Gold is no longer suitable as Money but only as an Investment -- he's proposing a 100% Tax-Free Investment Commodity. Surely a Savvy Trader could make use of that where appropriate.

I actually like the idea of taking the taxes off of gold. Basically it is the same idea as taking the capital gains taxes off of our houses and yes it would provide some nice hedging opportunities.

Less taxation is always a good idea :)

[Revenge of Sith]

In 2002, Ron Paul said in no uncertain terms that he was against going to war in Iraq. He also gave a speech two weeks after 9/11 which blamed US foreign policy for terrorism.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

You mean the Ron Paul who is a 911 Trooother?

I assume by "911 Trooother", you mean that Ron Paul publicly declares the fact that the 9/11 Atrocity was primarily commited by Islamic Terrorists from Saudi Arabia (NOT IRAQ):

"Does anyone remember that 15 of the 19 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia and that none came from Iraq?" -- Ron Paul, September 10, 2002

That is what you meant, right?

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

He'll be luck to garner 1% when it's all said & done.

Too late for that. We're already in 4th place amongst the Declared GOP Candidates -- well past 1%... and rising.

Clinton, Giuliani lead in national polling (RON PAUL NOW UP TO 6% amongst Republican Women!)

[ASH71]

No actually i meant this:

The 9-11 Commission Charade
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD

or

The Lessons of 9/11
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD

Now he does not go as far as a troother, but he sure gives them lots of ammo.

Which is what i linked not a quote from 2002. nor did i state anything about Iraq, of course they had nothing to do with 9/11 same as Afghanistan itself had nothing to do with, they were just harboring the people who did.
Click this link and check all the interviews with Conspiracy websites
http://www.google.com/search?q=Ron+Paul%2C+911&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=utf8&oe=utf8

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

The candidacy is an exercise in futility.....and is perfectly legitimate. Go for it!

Disagreement, but in a spirit of Charity. Good on ya!

I hope you're wrong, you hope I'm wrong, and we can get along anyway.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

You are right IMHO that with Guliani as president we will not see major tax reform. OTOH, no matter who is President, it is the Congress that sets the tax reform agenda, and it wont happen without a major increase in conservative and Republican representation anyway.

Mitt Romney practically destroyed the GOP in Massachusetts (from what I have read). Romney himself did fine... but The Party was Toast.

At least with Ron Paul we won't lose any. If Ron Paul is the Nominee, the Rudybots and McCainiacs and all the other factions will still vote faithfully GOP, you can bet on it.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

No actually i meant this: The 9-11 Commission Charade by Rep. Ron Paul, MD

Link it; I'll read it.

Don't Link it; I won't read it. I'm not going to waste my time on scurrilous mudslinging.

[BlackElk]

Feel the excitement! Advocacy of Neville Chamberlainesque cowardice and paleowimpery is not yet dead! Most Americans thought it died out on December 7, 1941 or at least on September 11, 2001, but nooooooo, not so fast folks, AND, it's not just for Demonrats, Socialists, Communists, and your local neighborhood crackpots and Islamofascist imams any more! Now Republicans (yes Republicans, or so they say, like paleoPaulie and Weepy Walter Jones!) can join in the AntiAmerican fun and frivolity by voting in Congress to stab our troops in the back by cutting off their funds, just like Dennis Cuckoocinich, Paul Abercrumble, BaaBaa Boxer, John the Traitor Murtha, or even FaceLift Nancy Pelosi, the Congresscritter representing Dikes on Bikes and, to America's enemies, a San Francisco treat.

One might argue that paleoPaulie is just a useful idjit but never underestimate the agitprop value of faux "bipartisanship" in the cause of teaching those military folks to avoid service since, sooner or later, they will be backstabbed by a "bipartisan" corps of surrender monkeys consisting of 2 or 3 sorry excuses for GOP Congreescritters (Paul, Jones and maybe Duncan) and a Senator Chuckie Hagel or two in league with the usual gang of Demonrat traitors. As Republicans, these clowns are to politics what the bearded lady and the three-headed snake were to the traveling circuses in days of yore. Strictly sideshow attractions.

Oh well, since even long-marginalized Bircher types need candidates too, they give us paleoPaulie. That is an embarrassment to the more sensible wing of Birchers.

By the way when paleoPaulie is trailing Rudy McRomney (all three of him) and has only 1/3 the support level of unannounced former Senator Fred Dalton Thompson even in the Zogby poll (the same John Zogby whose brother James Zogby is the head of the Demonrat Palestinian outreach effort) I wouldn't be bragging if I were you.

Ancient quotes from Ronaldus Maximus from the 1970s are hardly applicable to backstabber Paulie in 2007 and fool no one. To go along with a strengthened Coast Guard, will paleoPaulie be advocating a barbed wire and Iron Curtain around America, concentration camps and the whole nine yards?

It is a very good thing that the paleoPaulies were not in charge of resisting Islam at Lepanto or Vienna or we would be living under Sharia Law already. Do you paleoguys favor Shi'ite or Sunni masters if your foreign policy should ever become that of the USA, however temporarily? Please explain your preference in 25 words or less so that the rest of us can get back to reloading.

[ASH71]

The 1st link i put up was it! The second link was a google search of both titles as well as other conspiracy sites/ alex jones stuff. have fun

[BlackElk]

Voting to cut off funds to troops in combat is most certainly an antiAmerican position as it was in the days of McGovern, George and Cooper, John Sherman and Church, Frank and Fonda, Jane.