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Why I'm for Ron Paul instead of Mitt Romney (Latter-day Saint)
Connor's Conundrums ^ | March 14, 2007 | Connor Boyack

Posted on 03/30/2007 6:46:35 AM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian

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To: romano1000

Welcome to FR. Please note the civility policy on the "Posting Comment" page. (We all need to work on that).


261 posted on 03/31/2007 12:52:52 AM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: Dog Gone

I must say, your being called Satan because you don't particularly like Ron Paul even beats Rudy fans being called treasonous liberals.


262 posted on 03/31/2007 3:46:19 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Ron Paul has my vote. If the Republican power brokers attempt to ram another one of their lackluster establishment drones down my throat, I will be voting for another party's candidate. I'm tired of losing the war because of being so focused on winning the election. I held my nose and voted for Bush, and all that achieved was to return he Democrat party to power.


263 posted on 03/31/2007 4:03:00 AM PDT by Scutter
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To: Scutter

Ron Paul ping.


264 posted on 03/31/2007 7:00:42 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Doohickey
Of course not, with that attitude.

Attitude has nothing to do with it. Positive thinking wont help these two. I saw Ron Paul on Bill Maher's show last night opposing the Civil War. To 99% of Americans that is a crackpot position. NEarly 70% of Americans think Mormons are all crackpots, so that does it for Mitt too.

265 posted on 03/31/2007 12:37:34 PM PDT by montag813
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To: The_Eaglet

I may consider ignoring paleoPaulie since he will have no difficulty falling out of sight all on his own because of his silly ideas and inconsequential career. Is he a vegetarian? Do they have ballot position as a party?


266 posted on 03/31/2007 1:32:31 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: romano1000
That's nice. The rest of us will have to defend you to defend ourselves. Not the first time and not the last. Cardinal Martino who is the usual source of all this paleopacifist Euroweenie and UN-loving internationalist baloney is not pope and never will be. Popes, like beauty queens have a whirled peas reflex in our day. Were the crusades defensive wars? I am going to address this notion of Catholics allegedly being doctrinally required to be peaceweenies business when I get my hands on a copy of the the Catechism which allows it to be definitively addressed.

Meanwhile, did the Prince of Peace (not exactly a doctrinal title) disagree with God the Father on the Hebronites and the Canaanites? I did not think so.

267 posted on 03/31/2007 1:38:49 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: montag813

It is also true that some of us who oppose the very idea of the War of Northern Aggression also oppose paleoPaulie. Thanks for your posts on this thread!


268 posted on 03/31/2007 1:51:15 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: montag813

I read that 80% of statistics are pulled right from the user's ass, too.


269 posted on 03/31/2007 2:46:07 PM PDT by Doohickey (Rudolph Giuliani: metro-American)
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To: TheDon
As for the USC, there is nothing in it regarding isolationism.

Actually there is, we circumvented it. One of the few things the dastardly Federalists didn't erradicate... In section 8, no Defense appropriation was to be for more than two years (to prevent us getting involved in the perpetual wars of Europe)... Of course, DOD circumvented this by having program budgets executed every two years on projects that extended indefinitely... the original intent was that even the Army itself could be funded for only two years, then would have to be stood down to reserve status until the next contingency.

I disagree that ICBMs and global commerce have changed anything. We can still provide an adequate defense, and utilize our own seaborne assets and territories for basing defense against such weapons. In fact, we do that now with the exception of a VERY few radar installations, but given current technology, we don't NEED them anymore. The founding fathers insisted on POLITICAL isolationism, but on COMMERCIAL globalization in todays terms. They wanted the US to be the commercial giant who was involved in every corner of the globe, and we certainly can act to protect our interests. They wanted us to be regarded well by all nations, with no enemies, able to buy and sell with all.

Not only would I guess I have read more than you, I would also guess that I have published more than you also, especially in peer reviewed scientific journals. I am very busy, and the internet is something I only do for about 15 minutes a day, so I avoid trying to build and support complex arguments that are usually wasted on people who appeal to purely emotional responses anyway.

270 posted on 03/31/2007 3:22:53 PM PDT by LambSlave (If you have to ask permission, it is not a right.)
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To: montag813

I saw Ron Paul on Bill Maher's show last night opposing the Civil War. To 99% of Americans that is a crackpot position.

Please cite your source, or retract your claim.


271 posted on 03/31/2007 3:26:33 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: LambSlave
I avoid trying to build and support complex emotional arguments that are usually wasted on people who appeal to purely factual responses anyway.

Then you should definitely try and avoid FR. Try DU instead, they are right up your alley.

272 posted on 03/31/2007 3:54:34 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: TheDon
Then you should definitely try and avoid FR. Try DU instead, they are right up your alley.

You actually prove my point. You have already committed a number of logical fallacies(petitio principii, argumentum ad hominem) which you are obviously unaware of. I know you are aware that you changed my post (from purely emotional as I wrote to purely factual as in your post) which makes you guilty of straw man fallacy as well. I will cut you some slack on that one, since you have already shown you don't know the difference between a straw man fallacy and ignoratio elenchi (red herring, which is what you intended to accuse me of in your earlier post). A straw man is when you misrepresent someones argument as a weaker position then refute it, ignoration elenchi is when you attempt to distract from the original argument by introducing an unrelated proposition. I am a Christian, a successful capitalist, a veteran, and a conservative so far to the right that moderates like yourself are indistinguishable from liberals to me; I don't think they'd like me much over at DU. Have a nice evening, I have wasted enough time on this conversation.

273 posted on 03/31/2007 4:58:36 PM PDT by LambSlave (If you have to ask permission, it is not a right.)
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To: dc-zoo
Paul doesn't even register in the Fox News poll.

Which poll would that be? The last Fox News poll I saw didn't even ask about Paul. It's hard to show up on a poll when you're not even included. That's the kind of dishonesty that is quickly gaining Fox News the same reputation for bias as its competitors.

It's hard to find any real news on Fox these days anyway, between the sleaze, the gossip, and the shilling for Rockefeller Republicans.

274 posted on 03/31/2007 5:00:40 PM PDT by NCSteve (What good is it if you're wearing your superman underwear and can't show it to anyone?)
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To: WhiteGuy
Please cite your source, or retract your claim.

Source for what?

275 posted on 03/31/2007 6:54:29 PM PDT by montag813
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To: BlackElk
I may consider ignoring paleoPaulie since he will have no difficulty falling out of sight all on his own because of his silly ideas and inconsequential career.

Who is paleoPaulie?

276 posted on 03/31/2007 7:55:04 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: NCSteve
The last Fox News poll I saw didn't even ask about Paul. It's hard to show up on a poll when you're not even included. That's the kind of dishonesty that is quickly gaining Fox News the same reputation for bias as its competitors.

The real problem is FoxNews leaving Paul out of their poll.

277 posted on 03/31/2007 7:57:17 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: LambSlave
Have a nice evening, I have wasted enough time on this conversation.

I must disagree with you there. Outside of that statement, you have made some worthwhile contributions. :)

278 posted on 03/31/2007 7:59:33 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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To: LambSlave
You have already committed a number of logical fallacies(petitio principii, argumentum ad hominem) which you are obviously unaware of.

The more you respond, the more I see you are definitely DU material. Seriously, give them a try.

279 posted on 03/31/2007 9:15:25 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: TheDon
Seriously, give them a try.

Given your recommendation, are you DU material? I saw no such recommendation from LambSlave.

280 posted on 03/31/2007 9:24:43 PM PDT by The_Eaglet
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