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Rand Corp.: China Could Defeat U.S.
RightBias News ^ | 3-29-07 | UPI

Posted on 03/29/2007 11:14:27 AM PDT by nancyvideo

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To: qam1; Jeff Head; Paul Ross; DarkWaters; Tailgunner Joe; Thunder90

Let's say for the sake of argument, that I had, along with my SCO buddies, hit the US with EMPs followed by a surprise ICBM and cruise missile lay down to nail the USA's ICBMs, subs and ships in port, what few bomber bases we still have, C4I, etc. After that, I had hit various areas with some bio and chem strikes. So now, where to invade. Obviously, the closest place to invade from say, the point of view of a joint Russian - Chinese expeditionary force, would be Alasksa, so consider that done. Then after that? Indeed, with its utter lack of credible defenses (thanks to base closures) the lower mid Pacific coast would be a compelling place to land both airlift and naval troop transports. In fact, they could probably dock at Oakland, unopposed, given the softening strikes I mentioned above combined with lack of local tactical defenses. Gen. Billy Mitchell was right in more ways than one - he predicted more than just Pearl Harbor, and some of his predictions were for 80 years into the future. Let's see, Billy Mitchell, 80 years, doing the math .... !


61 posted on 03/29/2007 11:59:06 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: nancyvideo

This will be our fault, too.


62 posted on 03/29/2007 12:00:12 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: nancyvideo

The GPS coordinates of the Three Gorges Dam are not a big secret...


63 posted on 03/29/2007 12:01:08 PM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: redgolum

"Good point. In fact, I have heard that some of the Chinese stuff is a bit better. Of course they still have a few million troops with WWII vintage arms, but sometimes numbers beat quality."

I hear Teddy Kennedy was giving them swimming lessons. We're doomed!


64 posted on 03/29/2007 12:01:42 PM PDT by GovernmentIsTheProblem (Capitalism is the economic expression of individual liberty. Pass it on.)
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To: Al Gator

I think Taiwan will be a pretext....the real issue will be China's goal of being the world's superpower.

I've been watching their military build up for 5 years now and it far exceeds the needs of a Tiawan victory.


65 posted on 03/29/2007 12:02:52 PM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: nancyvideo

The Democrats and white flag Republicans would surrender before we could lose the war.


66 posted on 03/29/2007 12:03:54 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: Jeff Head

ping


67 posted on 03/29/2007 12:04:39 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: GOP_1900AD

Oh and also, there are already Chi Com spec ops on the ground here in the Bay Area. This is not tin foil ... it is a cake walk for the PRC (and other hostile regimes) to intert spec ops into the US. Current H1B hiring procedures would not detect spec ops who had legitimate legends.


68 posted on 03/29/2007 12:04:48 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Halgr
it far exceeds the needs of a Tiawan victory

It is also far short of what would be needed to keep the oil shipment lanes open from Iran to Canton.

69 posted on 03/29/2007 12:06:39 PM PDT by RightWhale (Treaty rules;commerce droolz; Repeal the Treaty)
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To: Halgr

Taiwan is actually of little value, what they really want are places like SE Asia / Indian Ocean litoral, Persian Gulf, etc. Meanwhile, the Chi Coms talk up Taiwan and Western suckers fall for it, completely missing the most likely conquest plans which are mostly thrusts to the South and West.


70 posted on 03/29/2007 12:07:18 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: RightWhale

Turn that around. S. Korea, Japan and Taiwan depend on uninterrupted oil shipments through the Strait of Malacca. Read "Beijing's Surge for the Strait of Malacca" (free, on the web) an oldie but goodie by Yossef Bodansky. Look at the creeping Chi Com influence in SE Asia, where our stupid withdrawal and loss of hard allies has left a vacuum.


71 posted on 03/29/2007 12:09:47 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Halgr

You are completely correct.

There is no doubt that they want, badly, to even the score on the humilitations that were heaped on them in the last two centuries.

Anyone who does not believe that this is a main consideration on the part of the Chinese, does not know the Chinese very well.


72 posted on 03/29/2007 12:10:43 PM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Look at the chart you posted on post 56 again. Look at the middle of your chart which entirely proves my point regarding manufacting base.

The right part of the chart is total GDP including services etc...Eventually over time China will be larger in total GDP too.


73 posted on 03/29/2007 12:11:27 PM PDT by rbmillerjr ("Message to radical jihadis...come to my hood, it's understood ------ it's open season" Stuck Mojo)
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To: Dick Bachert

I am bookmarking your post!


74 posted on 03/29/2007 12:11:35 PM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
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To: GOP_1900AD

China can block the shipping route, but they can't keep it open.


75 posted on 03/29/2007 12:11:52 PM PDT by RightWhale (Treaty rules;commerce droolz; Repeal the Treaty)
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To: RightWhale

Who will keep it open if the USN has been hit by multiple ICBM and cruise missile strikes? Consider the scenario where the SCO are the Axis, a much bigger issue than the PRC alone.


76 posted on 03/29/2007 12:13:12 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: Sioux-san

Yeah, stop blaming Bubba. The Democrat line is, "he hasn't been president for 6 years, stop blaming him".


77 posted on 03/29/2007 12:13:26 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Don't forget the worthless American voter and also the dead voters.


78 posted on 03/29/2007 12:14:38 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Freep Fox they drop the ball on GOE)
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To: redgolum
How many bombs do those CBG's have? How do you resupply when your enemy is a critical path supplier for much of your arsenal?

We haven't outsourced our tactical nukes.

79 posted on 03/29/2007 12:16:07 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Democrats in Republican Clothing ... DIRC ... They are the knives in the back of the GOP.)
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To: GOP_1900AD

Nobody will keep it open if the US can't. China would be hardest hit.


80 posted on 03/29/2007 12:18:13 PM PDT by RightWhale (Treaty rules;commerce droolz; Repeal the Treaty)
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