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Rand Corp.: China Could Defeat U.S.
RightBias News ^ | 3-29-07 | UPI

Posted on 03/29/2007 11:14:27 AM PDT by nancyvideo

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To: tdultima
Their nominal GDP is around 2 trillion

Took you long enough.

PPP GDP makes both Big Macs worth the same.

You think their currency manipulation dropped it by 80%?

PPP is useful to compare standards of living, not levels of production. Now that you understand that their GDP is about $2 trillion, you understand why we don't care about PPP.

321 posted on 04/02/2007 3:21:46 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: GOP_1900AD

“Have you considered the possibility of racially or even ethnically targeted engineered viruses?”

Yes. And so has every major world government.

The Chinese worry me. A lot.


322 posted on 04/03/2007 3:20:45 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: Toddsterpatriot
PPP is useful to compare standards of living, not levels of production. Now that you understand that their GDP is about $2 trillion, you understand why we don't care about PPP.

Nope, PPP is a better measure of production because it measures the actual product. Nominal GDP is nothing but currency exchange rates. China's manipulated "$2 trillion" buys more inside China relative to 2 trillion inside the US. And according to the CIA that 2 trillion is actually closer to 10 trillion worth of goods and services.

China is about to pass US carbon emissions in 2007. No production going on?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/scienceNews/idUKL2272661220070323

324 posted on 04/03/2007 9:44:07 AM PDT by tdultima
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To: tdultima
Nope, PPP is a better measure of production because it measures the actual product.

Great. So you think that China made $10 trillion worth of stuff last year.

325 posted on 04/03/2007 9:55:09 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: Colorado Doug
That would have been a very good idea when all that steel was being dumped in the US a few years back, you know, just before our major producers were forced out of business

Which major producers were forced out of business? How much did our production fall?

Since we don't produce enough on our own, steel imports to the United States are at record highs.

Sounds scary!

We are not engaged in all out war and still can't make enough steel eo supply our needs so the answer to your question is rather obvious.

But you didn't answer either question.

No, we do not have the domestic capacity we need.

Based on what? I know they were hard questions, maybe you could try again?

How much steel do we use for our military? Do you think our domestic production is enough to cover our military needs?

326 posted on 04/03/2007 7:17:26 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Great. So you think that China made $10 trillion worth of stuff last year.

Price is relative. From China's point of view they produced $10 trillion worth of low quality stuff (according to the CIA). But since the Chinese currency is undervalued on purpose, from the American point of view they produced $2 trillion.

My whole point is that they have the industrial production to pump out tons of military equipment, albeit low quality. Their nominal GDP does not reflect their true output because of the currency manipulation. As long as the military equipment is made in China and NOT imported their buying power is magnified. But if they were forced to import Russian stuff for example then their buying power drops.

327 posted on 04/03/2007 7:39:10 PM PDT by tdultima
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To: tdultima
Price is relative.

Worth is not.

From China's point of view they produced $10 trillion worth of low quality stuff (according to the CIA).

And you agree?

But since the Chinese currency is undervalued on purpose, from the American point of view they produced $2 trillion.

So you think their currency is undervalued by 80%?

328 posted on 04/03/2007 7:58:26 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

If China were part of the US those goods and services would be worth $10 trillion. But China is not, and is not affected by all the other factors that make the dollar superior. It still doesn’t change that fact that those factories that are pumping out $10 trillion in PPP can be converted to pumping out military equipment in a war.


329 posted on 04/04/2007 8:00:34 PM PDT by tdultima
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To: tdultima; Mase; expat_panama
If China were part of the US those goods and services would be worth $10 trillion.

The US uses almost 21 million barrels of oil and over 635 billion cubic feet of natural gas per day. Our GDP was over $13 trillion last year.

China uses about 7 million barrels of oil and about 48 billion cubic feet of natural gas per day. And you think that translates into a $10 trillion GDP?

I didn't realize a centrally controlled economy would be that much more efficient than ours. I guess if the CIA, who thought East Germany had a larger economy than West Germany in the early 1980s, says China has a GDP only 20% smaller than ours, it must be true. ROFLMAO!

330 posted on 04/04/2007 8:25:36 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: Levante
How? By burying us under plastic lawn furniture?

I just went out and looked, my plastic lawn furniture says "Made in USA", it's my high-tech electronic stuff that says made in China.

331 posted on 04/04/2007 8:42:35 PM PDT by this_ol_patriot (I saw manbearpig and all I got was this lousy tagline.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; tdultima
I guess if the CIA, who thought East Germany had a larger economy than West Germany in the early 1980s, says China has a GDP only 20% smaller than ours, it must be true.

If this were true, China's standard of living would be 80% of ours. By asserting this I know with absolute certainty that tdultima has never been to China. It also shows he doesn't understand what PPP is. From what I can tell he's using a PPP multiplier of about 6. Given that, I can buy a $1.00 hamburger in China for about 17 cents. I suppose that's how he makes a $1.7 trillion dollar economy become a $10 trillion economy. But what if the Chinese buyer comes to the US? Will we accept their $2,000 for a $12,000 product? Hardly. To think that China, with a per capita income of just about $1,200, measured in US dollars, is anywhere near our economy (and standard of living) with $40,000+ in per capita income is ridiculous.

332 posted on 04/04/2007 9:13:25 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
From what I can tell he's using a PPP multiplier of about 6.

I think it's about 5.

But what if the Chinese buyer comes to the US? Will we accept their $2,000 for a $12,000 product?

But, the CIA said we would. LOL!

333 posted on 04/04/2007 9:33:15 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: this_ol_patriot

Whoa!


334 posted on 04/05/2007 5:03:43 PM PDT by Levante
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To: Toddsterpatriot; Mase; tdultima
Something that seriously has to be kept in mind when talking about the Chinese GDP and PPP is the fact that half of China's workforce are dirt poor farmers that eat what they grow.  This means virtually half the economy is non-monetary.  When talking about world wealth China is a no-show.

The size of the circles on the map show the relative size of each area's financial assets.  The sizes of the arrows show the magnitude of international holdings.  The US is the biggest.  China is so insignificant that it has to be lumped with 'emerging Asia'.

335 posted on 04/05/2007 7:01:38 PM PDT by expat_panama
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