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It's gay rights laws that are intolerant, says Cardinal (UK)
The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | March 28, 2007 | Steve Doughty

Posted on 03/28/2007 7:43:06 PM PDT by GMMAC

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FYI, linked mid-article in above:
Oppose gay marriage, Pope tells politicians

1 posted on 03/28/2007 7:43:10 PM PDT by GMMAC
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2 posted on 03/28/2007 7:45:15 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

How can Ruth Kelly be a staunch Catholic if she is responsible for pushing through the Sexual Orientation Regulations?


3 posted on 03/28/2007 7:48:39 PM PDT by dominic flandry
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To: GMMAC
we do demand our rights.

Their rights are to agitate in the public square for their point of view. They have no right to thwart a democracy making its own choices about public policy, to the extent they fail to persuade. That would deprive those that disagree of their rights. This guy wants to truncate the democratic process. Good luck with that, not.

4 posted on 03/28/2007 7:56:03 PM PDT by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: GMMAC
"What looks like liberality is in reality a radical exclusion of religion from the public sphere."

Good point.

5 posted on 03/28/2007 8:03:43 PM PDT by GOPJ (Good judgment's often the child of bad judgment.)
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To: Torie
They have no right to thwart a democracy making its own choices about public policy,

Public policy, which was made by a handful of elites with almost no public debate. This is not democracy. This is the overlordship of the the few. Policy which will enforce a major moral decision on a person regardless of their choice. A moral decision, not a public safety or health or general welfare issue, which is all a government should be concerned about.

6 posted on 03/28/2007 8:08:52 PM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: GOPJ; GMMAC

Anybody want to make a wager that this law will not be enforced against Muslim organizations?


7 posted on 03/28/2007 8:09:24 PM PDT by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: Clock King

You think Parliament is just a handful of elites, not reflective of the public will I take it. That is rather cyncial. Maybe you have a British poll or something to demonstrate Parliament is out of touch.


8 posted on 03/28/2007 8:12:52 PM PDT by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: dominic flandry
How can Ruth Kelly be a staunch Catholic if she is responsible for pushing through the Sexual Orientation Regulations?

Rhetorical, I'm sure, but the same way Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry claim to be.

9 posted on 03/28/2007 8:14:01 PM PDT by fortunecookie (My computer is back!)
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To: Torie

They insist on their right to conduct THEIR business according to their well established, not to say hoary, principles. It's an Orwellian turn of phrase to call this "thwarting a democracy". Well, we're two steps away from the moment when we can thwart democracy by screwing in a light bulb.

"How many planet-hating reactionaries does it take to screw in a light bulb?"

"None. We killed them all."


10 posted on 03/28/2007 8:17:08 PM PDT by dr_lew
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Adoption is the public's business. But as I said, it is a policy decision. If folks don't like it, vote the perps out. But in Britain, I don't see the votes being there, but I have not seen a poll.


11 posted on 03/28/2007 8:19:23 PM PDT by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: GMMAC

I will certainly agree with the Cardinal. Most agenda groups have the same problem.


12 posted on 03/28/2007 8:20:52 PM PDT by freekitty
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Now comes the liberal / left hullabaloo that will make the Cardinal the issue and the issue he has raised (are these PC gay rights laws a threat to freedom and democracy) will be forgotten.

It's what the liberal / left do.

13 posted on 03/28/2007 8:27:19 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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Actually, a public poll on who wants to stay in the EU would be a good example.

The "elites" (MPs of both parties) want in... the population would rather be out...


14 posted on 03/28/2007 8:28:21 PM PDT by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats)
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To: Torie

Thus the reason the United States is NOT a democracy.


15 posted on 03/28/2007 8:28:49 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Thompson/Watts in 2008!! Fear the Fred!! FreeRepublic is FRed country!!)
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To: dominic flandry

An institution can survive outside threats, but it cannot withstand traitors, thus she is a "staunch Catholic"

Someone else said the above very eloquently. I forget who.

She lies.


16 posted on 03/28/2007 8:29:03 PM PDT by ROTB (Our Constitution...only for a [Christian] people...it is wholly inadequate for any other.-J.Q.Adams)
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To: az_gila

Economics is complex. Free trade is more popular with the elites than the masses, but on that one, the elites have a better grasp of the economics. Still I doubt the majority in Britain want to bag the EU, at this juncture. Do you have a relatively recent poll on that? They do want to keep the pound sterling, and it has been kept.


17 posted on 03/28/2007 8:31:37 PM PDT by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: Torie

Education is the public's business too.

Alexander Pope was "... a Roman Catholic when Catholics could neither attend universities nor hold public office..." ( Untermeyer )

I guess public offices are the public's business too!

I see us racing pell mell towards the same state of affairs, but now there is a Joker in the deck.


18 posted on 03/28/2007 8:34:35 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Politicalmom

Actually, both nations have the same system more or less. Folks vote for politicians, and the politicians make the laws. Britain is different regarding checks and balances, and branches of government, and all that (e.g., the courts are far less powerful, but growing more so), but it is moving a bit towards the US model in that regard.


19 posted on 03/28/2007 8:34:40 PM PDT by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: dr_lew

There is some merit, in fact, a lot of merit, in a Bill of Rights embodied in a Constitution. It tends to slow down mob bigotry, when the mob is in the mood to do that. The EU has such now, but granted that is a multinational enterpise. Oh the horror!


20 posted on 03/28/2007 8:37:14 PM PDT by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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