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U.S. base in Iraq attacked with suicide lorry bombs
Reuters ^ | March 27 2007

Posted on 03/27/2007 12:24:12 PM PDT by jmc1969

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To: SoldierDad

You truly mistake common sense and a small degree of intelligence for cowardice.

Why would the insurgents stay and engage in decisive battles when they are out gunned, out manned and inferior in nearly every way? They hit and run because they are not totally dumb.

Get it? They are not totally dumb.

And yes, the eary fighters of the Revolution did hit and run back then. And there were complaints of them being cowards, too. We're they better shots? Of course, since they were also hunters and didn't have automatic weapons.

If they were cowards they wouldn't even engage the coalition forces.

But they do because they are not cowards.

And the fact that they engaged your son's unit proves it.

If those that attacked your son's unit were cowards, as you have said, that would not speak highly of your son's unit. What kind of unit gets attacked by cowards?

But those fighting insurgents who engage coalition forces are not cowards; they are smart enough to hit and run over and over.


61 posted on 03/27/2007 4:52:01 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (There oughta be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: SoldierDad

You truly mistake common sense and a small degree of intelligence for cowardice.

Why would the insurgents stay and engage in decisive battles when they are out gunned, out manned and inferior in nearly every way? They hit and run because they are not totally dumb.

Get it? They are not totally dumb.

And yes, the eary fighters of the Revolution did hit and run back then. And there were complaints of them being cowards, too. We're they better shots? Of course, since they were also hunters and didn't have automatic weapons.

If they were cowards they wouldn't even engage the coalition forces.

But they do because they are not cowards.

And the fact that they engaged your son's unit proves it.

If those that attacked your son's unit were cowards, as you have said, that would not speak highly of your son's unit. What kind of unit gets attacked by cowards?

But those fighting insurgents who engage coalition forces are not cowards; they are smart enough to hit and run over and over.


62 posted on 03/27/2007 4:52:06 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (There oughta be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: SoldierDad
"gorrilla tactics"

You mean "guerrilla tactics".

63 posted on 03/27/2007 4:56:01 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (There oughta be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: jhpigott
Uhmmmm.... I spent 6 months last year in Al An-bar province.

While I was there (I won't say when) there was a mass attack on a Marine base by Jihad-i's.

Pretty heavy firefight by all reports - ended when the Cobra's mopped up.

Final tally?
0 Marines killed.
over 160 Jehad-i's killed. No survivors.

And based on the location (which, again, I won't say where) these were mostly foreign fighters.

So there have been large attacks at times... just that there are places that the MSM don't go to or report about. Again, they might not WANT to report about this as it shows we are winning.
64 posted on 03/27/2007 7:33:57 PM PDT by NorthernTraveler
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To: NorthernTraveler

yea, but these kind of attacks are the exception and not the rule

Thank you for your service to our country


65 posted on 03/27/2007 7:45:12 PM PDT by jhpigott
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To: Eagle Eye

Thanks for the correction on the spelling. Your earlier comments are incorrect, though, as intelligent and brave "soldiers" don't shoot aimlessly at their targets and then just fade away without hitting anything. That's not saying much for intelligence or bravery to waste amunition just to shoot off rounds in the general direction of our troops. No where did I say that all the insurgents act in this way, just those my son has encountered thus far. If they are going to "engage" the enemy (our troops being their enemy), then their must be a payoff for the engagement or it's complete foolishness on their part. And, as far as the killing of unarmed civilians, that is the worst kind of cowardice in my humble opinion. It does not take much to kill people who do not have the means to fight back. So, my earlier comments about cowardice stand. Sorry, but the comparison of the insurgents with the Revolutionary War fighters standing up against the British Army is empty.


66 posted on 03/27/2007 9:31:01 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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To: Maelstrom
You sound like a Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group counter-propagandist.

We need more of those.

67 posted on 03/27/2007 10:16:38 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group -- Distributed IO and counter-PsyOps)
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To: Eagle Eye; SoldierDad

Irregulars are not cowards for refusing set piece battles with regulars, any more than a judo artist is a coward for not slugging it out with a boxer.


68 posted on 03/27/2007 10:21:31 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group -- Distributed IO and counter-PsyOps)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; SoldierDad

He confuses untrained with stupid and cowardly.

Then he wants to add extraneous issues in as if those issue matter. We're not addressing terrorist acts like VBIED's. That is another issue.

Any time some a hole sent indirect rounds at us I never thought he was a coward for not delivering them in person, nor did I think he was a coward for not sticking around and waiting for our counterfire missions.

The fact that they take up arms against regular forces in the first place should dispel any notions of cowardice.



69 posted on 03/27/2007 11:27:15 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (There oughta be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye

Whatever. You may have your opinion. I'll accept the opinion of my son and his fellow soldiers. Have a nice day. No point in continuing a dialogue.


70 posted on 03/28/2007 7:53:31 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4; SoldierDad

Did you ever see the movie Red Dawn?

Remember how those 'cowardly' insurgents (Wolverines) hit and ran and didn't stick around to fight it out?

Freakin' cowards. /S


71 posted on 03/28/2007 12:54:36 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Pelosi Democrats agree with Al Queda more often than they agree with President Bush.)
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To: Eagle Eye

They're cowards dude.

Their primary target is and remains civilians...not the US military.

Nobody who purposefully targets even a single non-governmental civilian could ever be more than a coward.


72 posted on 03/28/2007 3:46:02 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Never heard of them before...I'll look into it.

My posts are my thoughts after my individual effort in studying war, history, and the media...as applied to today's realities.

Thank you for the link. It'll be nice to know for a fact that I'm not alone.


73 posted on 03/28/2007 3:47:50 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Eagle Eye

I don't recall the kids in that fictional movie: "Red Dawn" EVER purposefully targetting civilians.

That is what the cowards in Iraq are doing.

It's what only cowards do.


74 posted on 03/28/2007 3:49:10 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Maelstrom

It is obvious that you haven't read the thread, don't have a clue so I'll skip any discussion with you on this.

But I guess you've been there and seen them in action, right?

Nah, don't bother answering that. We all know the answer.


75 posted on 03/28/2007 4:07:56 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Pelosi Democrats agree with Al Queda more often than they agree with President Bush.)
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To: Eagle Eye
I loved that movie. I used to watch it in the RV at night while building a survivalist retreat in the Smokies back in the days between Waco and Oklahoma City.

Those days might be coming back.

76 posted on 03/28/2007 11:14:29 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group -- Distributed IO and counter-PsyOps)
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To: goldstategop
Al Qaeda thinks American G.I's are cowards.

King George found out...
Santa Ana found out...
The Barbary Pirates found out...
The King of Spain found out...
The Kaiser found out...
Hitler found out...
Tojo found out...
Mussolini found out...
The "Dear Leader" of N.Korea found out...
The Ruskies found out...
Qadafi found out...
Saddam found out (twice!)...
The Taliban found out...

Who else wants to find out that AMERICANS AIN'T COWARDS!
77 posted on 03/28/2007 11:54:15 PM PDT by cartoonistx
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To: Eagle Eye; Cannoneer No. 4

Yeah, and the "cowardly insurgents (Wolverines) rarely ever hit anything when the fired upon the invaders. They just blindly fired off their weapons in the "general" direction of the enemy from behind the cover of berms or rocks or whatever, and then tucked tail and ran, didn't they.

You're not making any points using a Hollywierd movie as your argument. And, your interpretation of the events in that Hollywierd movie are incorrect. You should go and watch the movie again as you've obviously forgotten what happened in the scenes you are refering to.

Trying to compare what is going on with those insurgents who've blindly fired upon my son's unit to what is depicted in a Hollywierd movie is a real weak attempt to attack my position. But, perhaps that is the best you can garner. Good luck in the future.


78 posted on 03/29/2007 9:00:47 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier fighting the terrorists in Iraq)
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To: SoldierDad
My son recently reported to me that they took heavy fire from insurgents somewhere south of Baghdad as his unit was attempting to uncover the mostly buried body of an Iraqi they found while out on patrol. The second that his unit returned fire the cowards disappeared. Those we are fighting do not have the desire for a face to face encounter with our military as they know they cannot match us in a frontal fight. And these people think we are cowards?

It apparently brings you comfort to believe that your son is fighting cowards. Whatever gets you through the night. I hope that your underestimation of your son's enemies does not cause him to underestimate them. Suicidal fanaticism is rarely encountered among cowards.

79 posted on 03/29/2007 10:24:33 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group -- Distributed IO and counter-PsyOps)
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To: SoldierDad
Hey BLOCKHEAD....

Poor training isn't cowardice!

Did you know that those poor fools were at one time told that the M-1 tank was made of plywood?

Or that the US we able to get fingerprints from their brass so they'd turn their AK's sideways to facilitate scooping up their used brass?

Even the kids that throw rocks at convoys are not cowards...the cowards are indoors hiding....and just because the kids run after throwing doesn't make them cowards.

Dang you are dense...

And fyi, I've seen the movie more times than I can count and could pick it apart from a technical side if I cared to but that ruins the theme and enjoyment of it. The kids ran away. To you that must have been cowardice but it wasn't, it was self preservation. The kids developed plans to attack and harrass the enemy. It takes some guts and courage to do that. Just as it take some sort of guts and commitment to attack a stronger and better armed enemy, even if the attack is poorly executed. You mistake the quality of training with the quality of commitment to their cause. Your mistake.

80 posted on 03/29/2007 10:51:07 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Pelosi Democrats agree with Al Queda more often than they agree with President Bush.)
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