The fires of Hell are real and eternal, Pope warns

The Times (UK) ^ | March 27, 2007 | Richard Owen

[Marysecretary]

They aren't. They're born with a sin nature like we all are. They're just innocent up until they begin to understand stuff...

[Marysecretary]

they talked about sheol, which could be hell. Jesus went into hell and released the captives. Where did they come from? Musta been a lot of them from OT times.

[Bob J]

"I've never been afraid of hell for some reason..."

Then we have something in common.

[mugs99]

I don't know anything about his affection for Art Bell, but the book would scare the hell out of anyone who may be on his or her way there. It has great value.

Mary, he writes about astral projection...out of body travel. I don't know if he and Art are affectionate, but he is very popular with the Art Bell crowd. If his tales bring you comfort, that's great. I find him very entertaining but I, personally, don't take anything he writes or says on the radio seriously.
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[Grizzled Bear]

Limbo is where a baby would go. It hasn't committed any sins and only has Original Sin (darn you Adam and Eve!).

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So they spend eternity hearing that stupid song and taking turns trying to "walk" under the pole?

That sounds almost as bad as hell!

[mugs99]

they talked about sheol, which could be hell.

You're right. Sheol is hebrew (שאול) and is Hades in Greek. Sheol is the common grave of mankind. Everyone, good and evil, goes to Sheol when they die. Those who can be purified rise from the dead and enter Heaven on judgement day. Those too evil to be purified stay dead.
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[Marysecretary]

thanks, mugs.

[Marysecretary]

He talks mostly about a relationship with Jesus Christ in his book. It points the reader to Jesus as well as talking about Hell. If this were an occultic book, satan wouldn't want him talking about Hell (or Jesus) the way he has. satan wants us to be deceived into thinking it doesn't exist. What he has was a vision from God about the place. We can't help it if the occultic folks like the book but I do hope they read it so they can learn about Jesus.

[Marysecretary]

You should be if you haven't received Jesus as your saviour. I do NOT want anyone going there, Bob J. It's not going to be a fun place to be for ever and ever and ever.

[Bob J]

So when Jesus talked of sheol, he was talking about being dead in a grave and "unrisen"? But no brimstone, fire and demons ripping you apart for the rest of eternity?

[mugs99]

He talks mostly about a relationship with Jesus Christ in his book
Yes, he's made a ton of money pimping Jesus. It's a shame the IRS wants to send him to the big house for cheating on his taxes.

If his books and lectures make you feel closer to God that's not a bad thing. The only question is... Why do you need a pitchman to support your faith?
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[mugs99]

So when Jesus talked of sheol, he was talking about being dead in a grave and "unrisen"? But no brimstone, fire and demons ripping you apart for the rest of eternity?

That's right... Jesus was a Jew. The Jews were "anihilists". They believed that the good would rise from the grave on judgement day...no brimstone, fire or demons for eternity.
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[Bob J]

So who made up the fire and brimstone hell?

[Marysecretary]

Look it up. I haven’t researched it. Hell is mentioned many, many times in the Bible. I encourage you to look up the passages if you haven’t already. M

[Marysecretary]

I don’t. I was interested because it spoke about hell and what awaits sinners who don’t repent and turn their lives over to Jesus Christ before they die. My faith doesn’t hinge on that book, believe me. I’ve known the Lord and walked through a lot of STUFF for 38 years now. I want people to be aware of the eternity that lies before them: heaven or hell. The devil has convinced many that hell doesn’t exist. Well, it does, and this book describes it pretty well. It’s not a place in which I want anyone to end up.

[napscoordinator]

He better not be. Pope John Paul II was the best of the best. This Pope will be average at best.

[rahbert]

[Ken H]

Wow, I really like this Pope! You go dude!

Pope says rich nations "plundered" Third World

[Bob J]

Well, I’m interested in seeing how many times it is mentioned in the Old Testament and in direct quotes of Jesus, and the context in which they’re mentioned. Sometimes “hell” really isn’t “hell”.

[Marysecretary]

Go for it, Bob J.