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U.S. Would Have Fired on The Iranians
UK Independent via. Hot Air ^

Posted on 03/25/2007 5:30:55 PM PDT by Weight of Glory

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To: Weight of Glory

The fagafacation of the west is destroying us.


61 posted on 03/25/2007 6:30:16 PM PDT by coon2000
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To: casino66

Didn't the brits invent radar


62 posted on 03/25/2007 6:31:21 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2
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To: DogBarkTree
It means that Horner is 2nd guessing the Brits. I have no doubt our guys would have had to get the OK to fire. By the time they got it they would have been surrounded like the Brits. Horner should have just STFU.

On the contrary, Horner said exactly what he should have said. The last thing we need out there is brass talking like wimps. The Iranians, and everyone else who's after us, needs to believe that if they attack us, they will die. I can't say for sure exactly what our response would have been had it happened to one of our ships, although I would hope that the lessons of the last few years would have had us fighting back at all costs, but if anyone in a position of authority gives even the slightest hint of weakness, they will only be inviting attack on our troops.
63 posted on 03/25/2007 6:32:31 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Cicero
Not arguing, but do we know where/when the Iranians first appeared. Would their rubber boats, which I think they were using also, appear on radar. Don't know any of the answers. I think we have to wait until the whole incident appears on YouTube before we will have the answers. :-)

Is it me, or has this whole incident disappeared from the MSM? I even checked Fox earlier today and they were running something about Britney Spears. This is an ally
64 posted on 03/25/2007 6:32:42 PM PDT by casino66 ("We'll succeed," Bush added, "unless we quit.")
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To: casino66

My computer has a mind of its own sometimes.

This is an ally that stood with us and the newsers seem to be ignoring it already. /rant


65 posted on 03/25/2007 6:34:34 PM PDT by casino66 ("We'll succeed," Bush added, "unless we quit.")
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To: LikeLight
Admirals who refuse to acknowledge they're in a war, even while their men (and a woman) are under direct attack from the enemy...

Consider who he works for. If he word "war" passes his lips, he probably gets sacked immediately.

66 posted on 03/25/2007 6:35:03 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Spktyr
The British navy hasn't officially ruled the seas since WW2, and unofficially since WW1.

The mort accurate date would probably be the Washington Treaty of 1922.

67 posted on 03/25/2007 6:35:49 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: mad_as_he$$

The HMS Cornwall did have a helo in the air monitoring the boarding operation. They detected the Iranian patrol boats shortly after they left port and were on a heading to intercept the boarded frieghter. Commodore Lambert in an interview with the BBC said of the incident, that the sailors appeared to be safe, and that they had behaved in an ”extremely professional way, in line with the rules of engagement.”


68 posted on 03/25/2007 6:37:26 PM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: DustyMoment

"IMO, there would be fewer possibilities for "international incidents" if response was swift and sure everytime a rogue nation pulled a stunt like this"

Indeed!


69 posted on 03/25/2007 6:37:44 PM PDT by Weight of Glory
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To: casino66
Why not call in some air support. I assume they had radios. A flight of A-10's or Tornadoes would be preferred, but even F/A-18's with sidewinders would have been able to put a hurting on the patrol boats.
70 posted on 03/25/2007 6:41:20 PM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion worth what you paid.)
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To: kvanbrunt2
Didn't the brits invent radar

No, Germans did some of the earliest work. The Americans, Germans, French, and British all developed working radars at roughly the same time.

71 posted on 03/25/2007 6:42:07 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Cicero; 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

Found this on the Long War thread:

"Everything I saw said Iraqi fisherman...9:10 in the mornin'
local time...they had a helo up that saw the iranian boats
"leave port",,,port must be close to the border,,,the
helo up and reporting tells us that the Cornwall was some
distance back from the border...

1,017 posted on 03/25/2007 9:12:02 PM EDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68


72 posted on 03/25/2007 6:42:44 PM PDT by casino66 ("We'll succeed," Bush added, "unless we quit.")
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To: Weight of Glory

I doubt if the US Navy would have done anything different. In fact, last fall the new Centcom commander, Admiral Fallon, who was then the Pacific commander, when a Chinese sub suddenly surfaced within the security zone of a US carrier, went kowtowing to Beijing uttering, "We knew you were there, we just didn't want to create an international incident". I imagine he'll soil his trousers when Iamadinnerjacket bluffs him with a nuke.


73 posted on 03/25/2007 6:45:09 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: casino66

See #68. All we know is what they tell us, but it's looking more and more as if the rules of engagement were the problem. They had plenty of backup and they saw the boats coming, but they did nothing.

At some point, the ship captain called his superiors for permission to fire, and was refused. I don't know how far up the chain of command that went. But obviously, if it has to go all the way up the chain of command and you have to call a meeting of politicians in England before you're given permission to fire, then it's too late.


74 posted on 03/25/2007 6:45:29 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Enterprise

LOL


75 posted on 03/25/2007 6:47:55 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: PAR35

The Brits were a little ahead of the US with radar, and we drew on their work. I believe Raytheon was central to our effort.


76 posted on 03/25/2007 6:48:44 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: alicewonders

I guess the same rules of engagement don't apply to our border guards



X ACT LEEEEEEEEEEE


77 posted on 03/25/2007 6:51:57 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: farlander
Ahem. 'De-escalatory' ? Sooo... when they come to kill you in your own house will you try to 'de-escalate' by killing yourself ?

Yes.

It would seem to the Brits self defense is considered as great, if not greater, crime than murder.

I recall reading about an older gentleman who was arrested and charged under some foolish law for defending himself WITH A WALKING STICK from a pair who had broken into his home.

So yes, it would seem the British have a suicidal streak.
78 posted on 03/25/2007 6:54:20 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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"I say, old chap, if you continue to capture our troops I'm afraid I'll have to speak to you rather sternly!"


79 posted on 03/25/2007 6:54:57 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
LOLOL! That's a helluva point!
80 posted on 03/25/2007 6:56:23 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (Democrats: Best friends of America's WORST enemies!)
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