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The Full Rudy: The Man, the Mayor, the Myth
The Nation ^ | 05/30/2002 | Jack Newfield

Posted on 03/23/2007 6:41:15 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: Peach

I'm not maintaing any Rudy Giuliani-related ping list.

The reason I pinged you (along with a number of other people I thought of off the top of my head) was because I knew you supported Rudy. Therefore, you might have been interested in pointing out any "facts" in this article that might not have been factual.

Because if Rudy Giuliani becomes the nominee, you KNOW his past will be brought up, as will his record. The friendly MSM will turn on him just because he's a Republican. Thus, it is better to get the dirt out now before the general election.

And my opinion of polls consisting of only a thousand or so people - especially at this time of year, especially how far we are from the election - is not high, so forgive me if I disregard it.

Popularity does not a good candidate make.


121 posted on 03/23/2007 1:21:41 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

I've pointed out facts to you ragers before. Now I just make fun of you.

Remove me from the ping list.


122 posted on 03/23/2007 1:22:18 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons' pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Like I said, I don't keep a ping list.

I won't ping you anymore, however.


123 posted on 03/23/2007 1:26:40 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: Peach
Mayor Giuliani has a wider lead among social conservatives than he does among Republicans in general. Social conservatives already know who Rudy Giuliani is. In fact, more than 70% say they know “some or a lot” about him – these numbers are almost identical or better than other candidates in the race.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1805638/posts

That's the same poll that shows on abortion, gun control and gay marriage 60-80% of social conservatives either mis-identify his position or don't know what it is.

124 posted on 03/23/2007 1:35:09 PM PDT by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: garv

Did you see that new poll that Liz posted that 88% of the public had a problem with him after they found out he didn't even attend his son's graduation? That poll may be overstating it but it can't be good. That's a very strong reaction.


125 posted on 03/23/2007 2:25:14 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: massadvj

Dear massadvj,

When conservatives fail to govern well, the people don't vote for them. When conservatives fail to even attempt to govern as conservatives, they lose credibility as conservatives.

Mr. Santorum may have tried to campaign as a "straight conservative," but unfortunately, his record had become mixed, at best. Part of the problem was the leadership position he'd taken on causing him to appear increasingly like a RINO.

People often vote for a choice rather than an echo.

I think that the difference between you and me is illuminated from your homepage.

"I believe the hope that was America, the hope for a land of freedom and individual liberty, is lost forever."

You've given in to despair.

I haven't.


sitetest


126 posted on 03/23/2007 2:34:44 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: trisham
"I've read up to post 34, and have seen no proof that anything in this article is incorrect. Slams against the Nation and Hanover, but nothing to refute its claims."

You would have made a faithful PRAVDA subscriber during the Soviet Union, apparently...

127 posted on 03/23/2007 6:48:18 PM PDT by Al Simmons (Rudy will beat Hitlary. The Toon's smear machine is working overtime. Are you helping them?)
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To: sitetest
You've given in to despair.

I don't know what state you are in, but here in PA the Republicans have been steadily losing ground for 10 years. I can tell you that Santorum did not lose because he wasn't conservative enough. Specter gets 65 percent of the vote here. Allen and Talent didn't lose because they weren't conservative enough, either. They all lost because they were positioned too far to the right and they let their opponents take the center ground.

About forty percent of the public is currently on the government till, and that percentage grows exponentially as boomers go into retirement. Half of Americans do not pay income taxes. I just don't see how a constitutionalist, small government platform can win in an election when well over half the people either aren't paying for government or are being paid by it.

With every passing administration in my lifetime of 54 years the government was larger and more repressive when the president left office than it had been when he began, including Reagan's. The same was true for my father's lifetime, and his father's lifetime. So, yes, all hope for a freedom-based, constitutionally-limited government is lost. I think it would be naive to think otherwise.

Heck, for the past six years the Republican congress and administration did more to kill conservatism than Clinton could ever have hoped to do.

I am 54 and given to a certain amount of pragmatism in my old age. When I was younger, I was more hopeful and spent a lot of time and money trying to advance liberty. I hope you succeed where my generation clearly failed. It will be all that much harder as the government will take more and more of your money so that I can live the good life in retirement. It's a pathetic mess created by politicians, I am afraid, and beyond the power, or even the desire, of the electorate to correct.

Look to California and Europe if you want to see what the future of America looks like.

128 posted on 03/23/2007 7:25:16 PM PDT by massadvj
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To: veronica

Your free-urination example was totally appropriate.
People could/would not organize themselves to cross at logical points, and just polluted the city with honking and grid-lock.
Wow! Guiliani is a dictator!


129 posted on 03/24/2007 1:52:29 PM PDT by Sarah
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Thanks for the ping and the very open-minded approach. Bump for later reading.


131 posted on 03/24/2007 10:13:55 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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To: massadvj

Dear massadvj,

"I am 54 and given to a certain amount of pragmatism in my old age."

I'm not far behind you, chronologically.

"Look to California and Europe if you want to see what the future of America looks like."

Nah. That would be giving up.


sitetest


132 posted on 03/26/2007 5:55:55 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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