AlGore - Natural CO2 is heavier than man-made CO2. Is this true?

[RightWhale]

Nobody knows what Algore is talking about. Did he say ozone hole?

[pollyannaish]

Bwahahahahaha! That's so funny. Somebody needs to see if Al passed high school chemistry.

[wideminded]

It doesn't matter. This whole thing is just a socialism driven invention to take the place of the failed communist social experiment. Whatever form the CO2 takes whether it is C12, C13 or C14 will not matter. Whether the CO2 is protected or exposed to exterestrial radiation so that it morphs into various isotope forms will not matter in the scheme of things.

1. Carbon 13 isotope is not created by solar radiation.

2. There is nothing wrong with examining the scientific question of whether the increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is caused by the burning of fossil fuels.

3. You're not really a chemist, are you?

[P-40]

But the people who would oppose his ideas should do so using correct facts

That would be a big help! And quite frankly I do listen to people that support the idea that the earth is warming, whether due to man's influence or not, just because...they may be right. I just want good facts from them also. It is the ones that hype everything to make their point or express probabilities as certainties that I tune out.

[Raycpa]

Would radiation from space or other natural causes change "heavier carbon". In other words, does carbon in the atmosphere change?

[TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl]

You misunderstood him. He said he's heavier than you and anybody else.

[uglybiker]

What about the CO2 that he keeps emitting by exhaling and talking?

PULL HIS FINGER!
IF YOU DARE!

WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT ELSE HE'S EMITTING!

[geo40xyz]

Well lets talk facts:

The earth has been going through heating and cooling cycles for a very long time..
Proof: (1) Oil has been discovered under the desert. (2) Oil has been discovered under oceans. (3) Oil has been discovered under land and ice. Oil is a product of sunlight and 'plant' life.
Fact: Massive number of automobiles did not existed until the 20th century.
Therefore: Earth's temperature in the pass eons had very little, if anything, to do with 'MAN'


So with or without MAN the Earth's temperature will vary, Man made 'Global Warming' is just the latest leftist attempt to blame the USA for all wrongs. algore lovers should appreciate dan rather quote: "I believe you can lie about any number of things and still be considered an honest person." --

[Yo-Yo]

Well, yeah, of course it's true. Natural CO₂ consists of one carbon atom and two oxygen atoms.

Man-made CO₂, on the other hand, is made up of two oxygen atoms and only one carbon atom.

See?

[geo40xyz]

Thanks to wideassmind, I have just discovered the I have a surplus of both 'light-carbon credits' and 'heavy carbon credits', I will offer them to the highest bidder, please submit a sealed bid:-() No bids will be excepted from al-gore, prettyboy-edwards or dan-rather:-()

[wideminded]

The earth has been going through heating and cooling cycles for a very long time.

. Yes. Apparently these temperature cycles correspond with variations in CO2.

Therefore: Earth's temperature in the pass eons had very little, if anything, to do with 'MAN'

True. The question is, now that the CO2 is the atmosphere is higher than it has ever been in the longest record we can measure, and is continuing to increase, will that cause global temperature to also increase correspondingly and by how much?

'Global Warming' is just the latest leftist attempt to blame the USA for all wrongs.

Do leftists want to blame the US for all wrongs? Yes. But that doesn't mean that global warming doesn't exist. Whether it exists or not and what humans are doing to cause it are questions that should be answered scientifically without relying on mere opinion.

[P-40]

The earth has been going through heating and cooling cycles for a very long time..

It is also a fact that today has never happened before. :)

[steelyourfaith]

Whadda think, the atomic number of anthropogenic CO₂ differs from natural CO₂?

Sounds like BS to me, buy hey it could be stupidity because it came from the Bloated Buffoon himself, the Perfect Point Man for the AGW Scam, Albert Gore Jr.

[No.6]

Oh, for a transcript...

[expat_panama]

Why would volcanic CO2 have less C14 than petroleum?

That's true, so Gore has to be talking about CO₂ from ethanol burning cars. 

Face it, making sense out of Gore is not a task for the faint of heart.

[redangus]

That is such a stupid remark I don't know what to say.

Please let the DBM pick this up and run with it.

[Palladin]

After hearing part of Gore's testimony today, I am convinced the man is certifiably insane.

[expat_panama]

It is also a fact that today has never happened before. :)

And as of today it's the way it's always been from now on!!

 

...I may be 7 years retired from government service but I still haven't lost my touch.

[ricks_place]

More information than most want to know but what does this have to do with Global Warming Mr. GotaDeeInScience Gore!

Modeling Carbon Isotopes LINK

Fractionation of Isotopes

Earlier in this chapter, we mentioned that the carbon released from burning fossil fuels has a lower d¹³C (-25 to -20‰) (d¹³ = Carbon13) than the atmosphere (-8‰). Why is this so? A partial explanation is that fossil fuels are derived from a combination of terrestrial and marine organic material, and if we look at the carbon isotope values in those material today, we see that they have d¹³C values of around -25‰ to -20‰. But then the question becomes: Why are the d¹³C values of modern organic matter so different from the atmosphere? This brings us to the underlying explanation -- the process of photosynthesis favors the lighter form of carbon. Photosynthesis, along with a few other processes, lead to variations in carbon isotope ratios. These processes are sometimes called isotope fractionation processes, which turn out to be very useful in helping us to decipher the past behavior of the carbon cycle.

Natural Variations in Carbon Isotope Ratios

The various fractionation processes lead to the natural variations shown in Figure 7.17.

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There are a few features in this figure that are worth discussing. One is that land plants, soil organic matter, soil CO₂, marine organic matter, and fossil fuels all tend to hover in the -20 to -30‰ range. This reflects the fact that photosynthesis -- on land or in the sea -- always takes more of the lighter carbon from the mix of available CO₂. This means that the carbon fixed by plants will always have a d¹³C value that is less than that of the source CO₂. This shift is generally in the range of -20 to -30‰, depending on a variety of environmental factors, and the details of the process of photosynthesis. This fractionation or discrimination involved with photosynthesis explains several other features of Figure 7.17. The shallow oceans are more positive than the deeper oceans because planktonic organisms take the lighter carbon out of the shallow water to make everything but their shells. Removing the light carbon will naturally leave the sea water depleted in the lighter carbon, so the sea water itself becomes more positive. When these organisms die, they sink to the deeper parts of the oceans, where their organic remains are largely decomposed, returning the carbon to the water, causing the deeper waters to be less positive than the surface waters. The difference between the surface d¹³C and the deep ocean d¹³C is a measure of the efficiency of the biologic pump -- this difference can be measured by studying the shells of surface-dwellers and bottom-dwellers that are preserved in deep-sea sediments. Limestones will tend to sample and preserve the carbon isotopic signature of the ocean water where the majority of the organisms whose shells make up the limestone were living, with perhaps a small effect from the incorporation of a bit of organic material. The extreme outlier in above figure is methane, which is extremely negative as a result of being the end-product of several steps carried out by microbes wherein each step involves a preference for the lighter form of carbon.

[rrr51]

I believe his point was that volcanic CO2 has more of the heavy stuff and would thus fall out of the atmosphere, whereas the light stuff will stay in the atmosphere. Whether there is any validity to this I have no idea, or whether this is causing global warming I have no idea, but I think I know BS when I hear it.