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NIH chief: Stem cell ban hobbles science
news.yahoo.com ^ | Mar 19, 2007 | ANDREW BRIDGES

Posted on 03/19/2007 6:27:12 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 03/19/2007 6:27:14 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

So Harkin and Arlen Sphincter were the only members of the subcommittee there to hear this baby killer testify. Wonder how many taxpayer dollars were wasted on this travesty.


2 posted on 03/19/2007 6:32:54 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: neverdem

Why does "science" require "taxpayer funding?" That sounds like a Communist technique. Use private funding and then let the investors cash in on the results. Geeeesh! This isn't rocket science. Of course, if this "science" is just another Commie jobs program for artsy fartsy "scientists", "taxpayer funding" is probably the only solution.


3 posted on 03/19/2007 6:35:05 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When I was a kid, "global warming" was known as "the weather.")
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To: neverdem
If this scheme had any real potential, private pharmaceutical companies would be spending their own money on research to make even more money.

Since they ain't, the consensus in the scientific community is that there is no potential to it.

So why are they so intent on frittering my money away on it?

4 posted on 03/19/2007 6:35:08 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: neverdem

If this research is to be done, I do not want to be paying for it

If someone wants this research to be done, let it be on their head, They can donate the money if it pleases them


5 posted on 03/19/2007 6:37:00 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: neverdem
re: Stem cell ban hobbles science

And, the point is? It's like saying "harvesting both kidneys from a living patient results in the death of the donor." Hey, it's two-fer solution, so where's the problem. Same with lungs.
6 posted on 03/19/2007 6:38:00 PM PDT by jwpjr
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To: neverdem

Let him get money from the universities that are sitting on BILLIONS in endowments. Harvard's is ~20 billion.


7 posted on 03/19/2007 6:38:10 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: neverdem
Nazi research chief: ban on vivisection of Jews hobbles science.

Of course not letting scientists do evil things puts limits on what they can do, and thus potentially what they can learn. So?

8 posted on 03/19/2007 6:38:20 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: neverdem

Appointed by Bush in 2002. His self-inflation page is here. Not just a capsule biography but a whole portfolio of web pages boasting about himself:

http://www.nih.gov/about/director/index.htm

Where does Bush find these guys? How many of his own appointees are going to stab him in the back before we're through with this fiasco?


9 posted on 03/19/2007 6:39:01 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: DuncanWaring

No private pharma company could afford massive very-long term fundamental research program on this scale. Not for nothing the things like hubble and NASA, major particle accelerators, tokamaks etc. are funded by government agencies, and not by private investors.


10 posted on 03/19/2007 6:42:19 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: neverdem

LOLOLOLOL>...

Sure, Pres. Bush is being kicked around for everything else right now...let's pull out the fed funding for ESC research...and how IMPORTANT it is that we kill babies to cure grandma.

pffffffffffft


11 posted on 03/19/2007 6:48:03 PM PDT by Txsleuth (I don't know who I am voting for yet...just window shopping.)
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To: neverdem
Lifting the ban on taxpayer funding of research on new stem cells
from fertilized embryos would better serve both science and the
nation, the chief of the National Institutes of Health told lawmakers Monday.


I suspect that his real beef is that he doesn't want to move to
the new mecca of embryonic stem cell research.

Missouri.
12 posted on 03/19/2007 6:53:44 PM PDT by VOA
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To: neverdem

I guess I have to do some research on the NIH, so I can figure out what they do for us that requires a 29 BILLION dollar budget.


13 posted on 03/19/2007 6:56:40 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: neverdem
There are no limits on cell lines. Just funding.

If there are such magnificent benefits waiting just around the corner, why is it that taxes must be used to get across the finish line? The normal capitalist risk-invention- profit model should work.

Or is it the vast amount of progress shown by more enlightened countries that use their citizens' tax dollars? Are US investigators embarrassed that other labs able to use the public money have so much better success? /s

If these researchers are truly looking to mankind's better interests, perhaps moving to a country that allows taxes to be used for fetal stem cell research and no limits on cell lines would give them the clinical advancements they claim would result if we did it here in the USA.

Or maybe the tax money is not the key. Applying the Razor of Sir Ockham....
14 posted on 03/19/2007 7:03:18 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: FlyVet
"what they do for us that requires a 29 BILLION dollar budget."
they are a funding agency - approving [or declining] the research grants to university profesors, graduate and postdoctoral fellowships etc.
15 posted on 03/19/2007 7:04:31 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: neverdem
There is no stem cell ban. This guy just wants grant money for which he doesn't have to account.

It's like the government funding research into a perpetual motion machine.

16 posted on 03/19/2007 7:05:12 PM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: neverdem

They haven't banned stem cell research.

On the other hand, it would make a whole lot more sense to fund energy research.


17 posted on 03/19/2007 7:10:30 PM PDT by Brilliant
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Stem cell ping


18 posted on 03/19/2007 7:11:54 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
The killers lie and the media reports it as gospel.

There is no ban on embryonic stem cell research!

Just government funding!

19 posted on 03/19/2007 7:14:51 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Vietnam Vet! That's why I support DUNCAN HUNTER 2008!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Why does "science" require "taxpayer funding?"

What Gslob said. Big science projects with very long term payoffs require Gov't funding. No company is going to invest billions on a bet that may payoff in 10 years or more. What investor would put money in a company bleeding red for 10 years? Maybe some knuckleheads in Az.

Anyway, we wouldn't have gotten to the moon if the aerospace companies were footing the bill. There'd be a Soviet flag up there, not ours.

The ultimate monetary benefits of the space program have more than covered what the taxpayers forked in.

Watch out! There's a Commie behind that cactus!

20 posted on 03/19/2007 7:22:08 PM PDT by muleskinner
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