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Film: 300 Questions
http://www.pajamasmedia.com/2007/03/film_300_questions.php ^

Posted on 03/16/2007 6:50:33 PM PDT by Muentzer2005

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To: expatpat
>>>If I could just get a refurbished flux-capacitor...... <<

I rhink Rush used to have a supply. Maybe it wasn't a flux-capacitor....what was that gizmo he used to blame all his transmission bloopers on? Anyway...something close.

41 posted on 03/16/2007 9:17:08 PM PDT by HardStarboard (The Democrats are more afraid of American Victory than Defeat!)
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To: Muentzer2005

I couldn't care less about this rant, but wanted to put in a plug for a great book - "Gates of Fire" which is also about the battle of Thermopylae and I assume was at least partially the basis for this movie (which I haven't seen).


42 posted on 03/16/2007 11:06:39 PM PDT by Northern Alliance
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To: Theo
"As I wrote, if you're not a Christian and not concerned about godly living, you're free to do what you want, without concern for what God expects of you. Even if you are a Christian, you're free to pollute your spirit with the pornographic imagery that accompanies this positive storyline."

I hate pornography. I detest it. This was not that. It is called "heroic nudity." It was glorious! And they weren't nude. They wore loin cloths, and the most magnificent red capes. It was AWESOME. It took my breath away It was the power, the skill, the discipline and courage with which they fought that the was object of the showing the body moving in battle. I can't say enough about how beautiful it was. And it was so because they were fighting for freedom. The blood was digital. Not flowing but scattering like leaves. Hard to explain but it helped you not to focus on gore but on the action which was ....I can't explain it. I loved this movie!!!

43 posted on 03/16/2007 11:27:11 PM PDT by Hound of the Baskervilles ("Nonsense in the intellect draws evil after it." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Muentzer2005
Xerxes was ... the liberator of Babylon

In the way the Red Army liberated Berlin. He conquered Babylon and liberated the Jews. But that's not what the author said.

The film characterizes the ancient Persians as anti-woman, racist, and undemocratic... I think the makers of “300” have mistakenly transposed the Mullahs’ mess and the era of the Persian Empire with regard to the role of women in Persian culture.

The Persians were heavily into the whole "bloodline purity" thing, which is why their kings took to marrying their own sisters and daughters, same as the Pharoahs. While the Persians were much less oppressive than the preceding Assyrians and Babylonians, and there is indeed much good that could be said about them, it is just ludicrous to imply that they were democratic feminists.

It is generally agreed that the "purdah" system of seclusion of women is originally Perian in origin, as is the word, and was adopted by Moslem culture after their conquest of Persia. It certainly isn't Arab in origin, as it isn't practical for nomads and the history of Mohammed makes it clear he didn't practice it himself.

BTW, the Athenians and most other Greeks practiced something very similar to purdah themselves, and were generally appalled by the freedom given Spartan women.

44 posted on 03/17/2007 12:47:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.)
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To: Muentzer2005

Why is it the most disciplined and feared army of the ancient world can't think of a better uniform than a Speedo and a cape?


45 posted on 03/17/2007 12:49:22 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

Actually, "the most feared and disciplined army of the ancient world" show up over a century later - in Italy.


46 posted on 03/17/2007 3:40:37 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

Actually, "the most feared and disciplined army of the ancient world" show up over a century later - in Italy.






And they didn't show up in Speedos and capes!

What amuses me, is that according to my sources 300 is becoming a gay cult hit -- more so than Brokeback Mountain.


47 posted on 03/17/2007 4:09:29 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell

No speedos, but the Romans wore red tunics [under their armor], and red wool cloaks [over their armor, but not in combat]. Wore red for the same reasons the Spartans [who they took the idea from] and the British [who took the idea from them] did. So the blood from any wounds wouldn't show.


48 posted on 03/17/2007 4:23:02 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

That's actually informative. Thanks. Learn something new everyday (or try to).


49 posted on 03/17/2007 4:25:09 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: HardStarboard
I rhink Rush used to have a supply. Maybe it wasn't a flux-capacitor....what was that gizmo he used to blame all his transmission bloopers on? Anyway...something close. A disgronificator.
50 posted on 03/17/2007 6:02:26 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
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To: Theo
"As I wrote, if you're not a Christian and not concerned about godly living, you're free to do what you want, without concern for what God expects of you. Even if you are a Christian, you're free to pollute your spirit with the pornographic imagery that accompanies this positive storyline.

" If what you consider 'pornographic imagery' is too much temptation for you and leads you to sin and pollutes your spirit, then by all means avoid it. The decadence that is portrayed in this movie is not glorified at all. Quite the opposite. It's what the movies heroes fight against. If you are only willing to engage in the fight against evil under the condition that your personal standard of 'purity' is met, then the front lines in the culture wars probably isn't the place for you. It's not for the squeamish. God's role for you must be well behind the lines.

51 posted on 03/17/2007 6:06:01 AM PDT by AIM-54
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I must be the only one old enough to remember that Sparta was often depicted as similar to the USSR, and Athens as more like the USA.

Plutarch's discussion of the reforms of Lycurgus, the lawgiver who was the source of the militarism of Sparta we know from history, makes the case pretty cut-and-dried. It wasn't exactly a classless society, but within classes all were considered equal. The parallels between Sparta of its heyday and the cold-war Soviet state are pretty strong.

52 posted on 03/17/2007 7:08:39 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: Muentzer2005
Geez, this movie has created more controversy, for being a historical fiction/fantasy movie, than Rudy being a nominee for conservatives.

It's a MOVIE folks, not a documentary.

IMO, the makers wanted to create a movie that showed good triumphing over evil in a short term losing cause.

It wasn't about ancient Greece, ancient Persia, Xerxes, the Spartans, or anything else associated with Thermopylae any more than Spiderman was about radioactive spiders.

It was made to attract a younger audience to a movie theater to collect money from them.

53 posted on 03/17/2007 7:22:23 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: durasell
In real life, the Spartans wore armor into battle, not leather Speedos

More good pics at the site

54 posted on 03/17/2007 9:14:30 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and it annoys the pig)
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To: Theo

"Yes, it was "excellent," if you love soft-core porn and lots of blood and have hardened your heart to any desire for purity."

Eh purity.

You're very welcome to stay home and not see it and keep your (underage) kids from seeing it if you feel that way, but I want to see a good old bloody ass-kicking. I'm tired of girlie movies passing themselves off as having spines.


55 posted on 03/17/2007 9:21:11 AM PDT by Shion (Hunter 2008! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: Muentzer2005
You're not going to respond to any comments to the article you posted? Shall I ask the moderators to zot it?

56 posted on 03/17/2007 9:52:10 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: flintsilver7
If I remember correctly, Thermopylae never came up, and neither did Platea. Thermopylae means "Hot Gates". Platea was mentiond in the last scene. The movie is very accurate in some ways. Victor Davis Hanson, as reliable and conservative a source as you can get on Classic Hellenic history approved of the movie overall.
57 posted on 03/17/2007 11:00:05 AM PDT by NucSubs (Rudy Giuliani 2008! Our liberal democrat is better than yours!)
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To: PzLdr
I must be the only one old enough to remember that Sparta was often depicted as similar to the USSR, and Athens as more like the USA. Nor am I saying Sparta was villainized, just that it was a less individualist, more militarized society. I recall those lessons and comparisons quite clearly from my youth. I've seen that comment a lot lately. Nothing I personally have read (a lot of late including three books on the subject) suggests that is true.
58 posted on 03/17/2007 11:04:58 AM PDT by NucSubs (Rudy Giuliani 2008! Our liberal democrat is better than yours!)
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To: Williams

Opps! Wrong post. Sorry about that.


59 posted on 03/17/2007 11:05:44 AM PDT by NucSubs (Rudy Giuliani 2008! Our liberal democrat is better than yours!)
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To: PzLdr
Let's try again! :-) The Founders modeled our governemnt on Rome. The Romans looked to Sparta, not Athens.

I've seen that comment a lot lately. Nothing I personally have read (a lot of late including three books on the subject) suggests that is true.

60 posted on 03/17/2007 11:06:41 AM PDT by NucSubs (Rudy Giuliani 2008! Our liberal democrat is better than yours!)
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