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COURT RULING PROTECTS 2nd AMENDMENT
boblonsberry.com ^ | 03/12/07 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 03/12/2007 6:51:05 AM PDT by shortstop

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To: Carry_Okie
This is a bit off topic, but I don't. There are several provisions as regards treaty law I would like changed or clarified:

  1. No treaty may be ratified that commits the United States to act beyond the enumerated powers in this Constitution.

  2. No binding agreement may be concluded with any other nation without full ratification by 2/3 of the Senate (NAFTA, WTO ,etc.).

  3. I would change Article II, Section 1, from

    "He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;"

    to

    'He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the full Senate concurs;'

    This ratification by voice vote in the dark of night with no quorum bull$hit has to end.

  4. All treaties ratified under this Constitution are now void until they are reconsidered under the provisions above.

    That includes the UN Charter.

  5. The United States may only conclude a treaty with the government of one nation.

    No more multilateral "treaties," whose effective commitments change after ratification when other nations take exceptions. This would hose the treaties currently held at the UN.

  6. Any treaty to which exception is taken after its ratification is void (ala the Panama Canal Treaty).

    Etc.

     

Not a bad list. There are bedwetters out there who would complain about dumping treaties, but I could certainly live with it.

21 posted on 03/12/2007 4:26:57 PM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: zeugma
Hamilton's defense of the manner of treaty ratification in Federalist 75 is one of the grandest spin jobs ever executed by any of the Founders.

My guess is that it was the poison pill in the Constitution without which the new government would have been hard pressed to borrow money in Europe.

22 posted on 03/12/2007 5:51:43 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Debtor's fascism for Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: stevie_d_64

When you say that the Supreme Court is "not a lock" in our favor, you couldn't have been more right.

There will be a question as to whether this is a "states rights" issue. Even the conservative members of the court will have to answer how they have the power to regulate state laws -- after all, they made that same argument back in 2003, with the Lawrence v. Texas decision.

If conservatives argue that the states can make whichever laws they want with regard to state sodomy laws and the Supreme Court has no legitimate right to interfere, then technically, they can make whatever gun laws they want.

The fundamental question lies in the age-old debate: Does the Bill of Rights apply to the states?


23 posted on 03/19/2007 12:33:08 PM PDT by AFreeCountry74
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To: AFreeCountry74

"Fundamental" is a word I am hoping the Supremes stay away from...

As for the Bill of Rights...Seems like a certain segment of the populace seems to like them as long as it is convienient for them...

The Second Amendment is needing a really fresh set of legs to argue on...The more we start to get caught up in the semantics of the issue, it must first be re-afirmed as an individual right...But even above that, and we have the Constitutiona and the Declaration of Independence to draw upon for reference...

That it is even above an individual right, it is an inalienable right bestowed upon by our creator...

You throw that fact into any argument, discussion, debate or decision on the issue and there is really no logical argument against it being so...At any level in the process...local, state or federal...

Once this "inalienable right" tact takes off...It'll have to go one of two ways...Either it is protected for all time, or we are going to have a big loss of freedom, and no effective way of protecting the other "inalienable rights"...

Remember its "fundamental" to the gun-control movement to bring the issue down to them and remove the morality of self-defense to create a system of government under the guise of its former self and remove any means of the people, its citizens to be empowered, but to only be subservient and needfull of an elected (elite) body to give them the cast off of entitlements and welfare oon the backs of what is left of the producers, for as long as that can last...After that I believe they have no plan...

I would just as soon avoid all of this and try to keep a conservative front to these liberal/socialist attacks on the foundation of our representative republic at all cost...

Otherwise, its just going to get really nasty...


24 posted on 03/19/2007 1:08:41 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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