Duncan Hunter, RRRINO: Reincarnated Reagan Republican In Name Only

SignsonSanDiego.com ^ | 3/9/07 | Chris Reed

[Sun]

Compare DUNCAN HUNTER, RUDY GIULIANI, MITT ROMNEY - the good and the bad:

http://home.comcast.net/~dfwddr/Choose.htm

[Ultra Sonic 007]

I'm not saying it isn't hard.

I'm just talking about the comparison between the two positions.

[CWOJackson]

Link yourself. His voting record is on this thread along with dollar amounts he has received from defense industries. If you really want to verify the data it won't take you long at all to find the official records.

Oo you can sit on your thumbs pouting because your candidate is just another big spending Republican.

[pollyannaish]

Unfortunately, they are asked to compete in an unfair environment against other workers who make only a fraction of a living wage and are employed by companies that face few, if any, responsibilities to the environment or the long-term prospects of their employees.

This is from his site. It goes against the real data that shows that Americans are actually doing better since we started embracing Free Trade. It's all wrapped up in fancy "Fair & Equitable Trade" language, but it is a form of protectionism. It may not be something that bothers you, and I know there are many here that support this strongly, which is fine. I, however, do not for a multitude of reasons which I don't need to go into on this thread.

Here's the link: http://www.gohunter08.com/inner.asp?z=11

[pollyannaish]

far easier

I was initially responding to two things...the "far easier" wording, and the fact that Hunter has been in congress as long as he has. You'd think he'd would have mastered earmarks by now.

In any case, I understand you support him and I respect that. No worries.

[pollyannaish]

So was it this contentious this early last time around? I lurked, but I can't remember since I wasn't invested in the same way.

[CWOJackson]

No, not at all. I think McCain and Clinton (and the media) are responsible for it starting this early; they probably thought they could lock up public support in advance.

I mean look at Newt. He says he's not even going to make up his mind till this fall (all the while he's running).

There is still plenty of time for other people to get into the race so why get this serious now.

At the frantic rate the anti-Guliani an anti-Romney crowd is going they're going to all be suffering combat fatigue long before the primaries. Fine with me.

[pollyannaish]

For me, it comes down to the fact that I'm not sold on anyone yet.

People talk a lot around here about these folks "earning" our support and how important it is for them to not just assume they are going to get our vote—and yet when the time comes to stand back and let these guys earn it, everyone just "picks a team" and starts hurling garbage at each other.

That means no one had to EARN anything. Frankly, its embarrassing.

[pollyannaish]

I think your chart does a good job of accurately showing Hunter's position on trade.

[Sun]

You keep saying the same things over, and over, and over, and over, and never back up what you say.

I believe that you are just making stuff up, so I will not bother to read your posts, which are always the same, anyway, but NEVER, EVER verified.

[McGavin999]

WOW, you are like a breath of fresh air. I have no intentions of making up my mind until I at the very least hear them debate each other.

[Sun]

Free trade should be for free countries - NOT Communist countries.

Communist China is building up it's military strength from American dollars, and some day it might bite us in the butt.

DUNCAN HUNTER is the only politician who is speaking out against trade with Communist China, particularly unbalanced trade.

Some people don't think China is a threat, but if they read articles by Bill Gertz, or read his book "The China threat," maybe they would.

[Sun]

"I think your chart does a good job of accurately showing Hunter's position on trade."


Yes, it does, and he gets it.

And here's more:

CHINA AND TRADE - http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/137666/a_concise_report_duncan_hunter_republican.html

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Duncan Hunter, 1/25/07

"I thought that Republicans didn't appease communists, and that's what we did," he said.

"Today starts the time for choosing – for every American manufacturer and laborer. You can either choose to give into China's cheating – or you can choose to join me to enforce fair trade."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20070126-9999-1n26hunter.html

[pollyannaish]

Yep, exactly.

It is absolutely ridiculous to commit now. We need to stand back and let these guys play in the sandbox for a while. People can say and a do a lot of things. With political candidates, most of what they do and say is repeated without the benefit of context...either the context of words or deeds.

I believe the best voter is an informed, observant voter—and if you're doin' a lot of talkin,' you're not doin' much observin.' I'm saving my energy for later. Glad you are too. We're going to need a lot of fight left in about a year. ;-)

[Sun]

"We're going to need a lot of fight left in about a year."

Actually we need to research candidates BEFORE the primaries, which is less than a year away.

We don't want to end up with a choice between tweedle dee and tweedle dumb, do we?

[Ultra Sonic 007]

In general, this is the case.

Now once you bring in particulars (aka MSM, treasonous Democrats, etcetera), things get murkier.

It doesn't help that Bush has mostly rolled over to criticisms.

[pollyannaish]

This is probably a discussion for another day, but I do believe China is a threat.

That said, suddenly "cutting off" a country that has a strong emerging capitalist economy and a population waking up to the wonders of free societies is a good way to actually start a war. Also, there are many, many ways to fight a subversive war and making another country dependent on us for their survival can be one of those.

Finally, in relationship to Hunter, he doesn't just address China with his protectionist stances...he is pretty solidly protectionist across the board, even in our own hemisphere. I am completely against that, especially since prosperous and free North America is essential to solving a multitude of problems we have in our own country, including the lack of border security.

Again, I realize that others have serious issues with this position, but that's where I stand and that is why his position in this area bothers me. I am not coming to this from an uneducated position and have done my research into the topic. I just came to different conclusions than many others and can respect that my position is not necessarily the prevailing one around here.

[pollyannaish]

Yes, it does, and he gets it.

No, he agrees with your position. There is nothing to "get" in this discussion. There are simply different conclusions drawn from a set of facts.

[pollyannaish]

Did I say we shouldn't research candidates? I think I said we shouldn't just pick a side and through garbage at each other.

Those are two completely different things.

I hate to say this but 99% of the time, we will always be choosing between tweedle dee and tweedle dum simply because humans are infinitely fallible. Even the best examples of us.