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Tables Turned In Anthrax Investigation
CBS News ^ | Friday, March 9, 2007 | CBS News

Posted on 03/09/2007 8:41:11 AM PST by jpl

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To: muawiyah
From the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

The U.S. Postal Service employed 75,000 clerks; 335,000 mail carriers; and 209,000 mail sorters, processors, and processing machine operators in 2004.

That equals 619,000. The informatin is here.

You lose.

I stand by my original critique of hyperbole filled bloviation.

You're full of crap.

L

121 posted on 03/12/2007 6:50:42 AM PDT by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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To: Lurker
BLS data?

Do you really buy that ill-informed blurb in the midst of a piece of propaganda to advise people about getting USPS jobs?

The reference I gave is to a site that shows, in detail, postal employment for the year(s) in question too.

You just want an excuse for your inclination to appease AlQaida, right?!

122 posted on 03/12/2007 7:14:49 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EdLake
Well, I saw that segment, and what a total waste of time it was. I think about the only thing I learned that I didn't know before was that he apparently is still considered a "person of interest".

About the best thing I can say about the piece is that 60 Minutes strove to try and maintain a neutral tone throughout the whole thing.

I must say though that it was highly disappointing to see a show that normally dedicates itself to questioning and challenging the government in every way possible, didn't spend even so much as one second questioning whether or not the government's entire theory could actually have been wrong.

123 posted on 03/12/2007 7:20:30 AM PDT by jpl
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To: muawiyah
Actually I'm going with the Bureau of Labor Statistics on this one.

You just want an excuse for your inclination to appease AlQaida, right?!

At first I didn't think it was possible for me to believe you could be more full of crap than when I first read that poppycock you posted.

Now I see I was wrong.

Not only are you full of crap, you're overflowing with the stuff.

Regardless of the total number of USPS employees in 2001, there is simply no possible way that each and every one of them could have died from that anthrax.

None.

You seriously made the assertion that a few grams of anthrax powder in a couple of east coast locations could somehow magically kill every single USPS employee from Maine to Florida to California to Alaska.

As if that weren't ridiculous enough, I mean most garden variety idiots would have stopped right there, but you had to go on and state that 'tens of millions' would have died.

Now that takes not only a real special kind of stupid, but a disregard for the truth that's so breathtaking in its scope it almost merits admiring.

Almost, but not quite.

Instead it merits only contempt from people who seriously study this kind of thing and then have to plan to keep the public from getting false information from blithering irresponsible idiots who deal in fear and panic.

You're more of an aid to terrorists than I'll ever be.

They count on dimwitted mouthbreathing fools to spread panic and chaos far out of proportion to the actual damage done.

Congratulations on playing right into their hands you mope.

L

124 posted on 03/12/2007 7:32:10 AM PDT by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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To: Lurker
Whether it was possible or not, the AlQaida creeps who planned it thought that it was, and probably still do.

I do not recall ever saying that it was possible ~ just that the enemy thought that it was.

Your inability to understand that simple statement suggests that you really don't belong on this thread.

125 posted on 03/12/2007 7:44:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

BTW, the BLS data does not count an additional 206,026 employees at Postal Headquarters, USPS Area offices, Postmasters and other Installation Heads, Supervisors, Managers, Professional Administrative and Technical Personnel, Nurses, Mail Handlers, Motor Vehicle Operators, Building and Equipment Maintenance Personnel and Vehicle Maintenance Personnel.


126 posted on 03/12/2007 7:56:36 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jpl
About the best thing I can say about the piece is that 60 Minutes strove to try and maintain a neutral tone throughout the whole thing.

I didn't think it was neutral at all. I just finished putting a comment about it on my web site, and I summarized it this way:

If I were to sum up the "60 Minutes" report, it would be an accusation that, if Dr. Hatfill is the anthrax culprit, the FBI bungled the investigation by turning their investigation of him into a public spectacle, and if Dr. Hatfill is not the anthrax culprit, the FBI bungled the investigation by making it look like Dr. Hatfill was the culprit.

What I considered to be really BAD reporting was the way they didn't mention Barbara Hatch Rosenberg's role in Dr. Hatfill's destruction at all. All they did was point the finger at the FBI for destroying Dr. Hatfill if he's innocent and not catching him if he's guilty. And they left the impression with me that they think he's guilty.

I was a little surprised that they didn't have Senator Grassley trying to point the finger at al Qaeda, but there is only so much misinformation you can put into a 13 minute segment.

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

127 posted on 03/12/2007 9:03:10 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: EdLake
And they left the impression with me that they think he's guilty.

I kind of got that feeling from Leslie Stahl myself, but I thought that she did a pretty decent job of not making it too obvious. Maybe that's because the bias is usually so blatant and in your face (at least in my eyes).

I don't think I've seen Barbara Hatch Rosenberg mentioned in a major news report about the anthrax attacks from a major media outlet in years, which is incredible given her central role in this whole thing. It's rather despicable really, and it shows the way the media's agenda drives their reporting.

I have this feeling that Senator Grassley probably gave Stahl a lot of material that they chose to edit out of the report.

128 posted on 03/12/2007 9:22:40 AM PDT by jpl
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To: jpl
I recorded the show on both tape and DVD last night and watched it three times. I also watched it for the fourth time today on the CBS site HERE.

I cannot help but wonder, where did they get the deposition tapes of Ashcroft, Lambert and Roth? Who supplied them?

It was also fascinating to watch Ashcroft call Hatfill a "person of interest." He looked extremely uncomfortable using that term, as if he knew he was making a mistake but couldn't think of any other term to use.

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

129 posted on 03/12/2007 10:20:03 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: EdLake
I cannot help but wonder, where did they get the deposition tapes of Ashcroft, Lambert and Roth? Who supplied them?

My guess is most likely it was Hatfill's lawyer Thomas Connolly, who came off to me as the most forthcoming person Stahl spoke to. The guy was even completely completely honest and straightforward about Hatfill forging his diploma, which couldn't have been very comfortable.

I thought the funniest part of the whole thing was a stupefied-looking John Ashcroft saying "I don't know" over and over again to every question in the deposition.

130 posted on 03/12/2007 10:26:23 AM PDT by jpl
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To: jpl
My guess is most likely it was Hatfill's lawyer Thomas Connolly

Yeah, I guess it would almost have to be Connolly. It probably just goes to show that even if you give the media a scoop on something, they'll still twist their reporting to fit their preconceptions.

I remember doing an interview where I was saying just the opposite of what the journalist/interviewer wanted to hear. They interviewed me for 2 hours until they found a 10 second "media byte" they could use.

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

131 posted on 03/12/2007 10:37:24 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: jpl
I thought the funniest part of the whole thing was a stupefied-looking John Ashcroft saying "I don't know" over and over again to every question in the deposition.

Actually, I think he just responded "I don't know" to only 85 questions. He probably knew the answers to questions about his name and profession.

I didn't read him as "stupified". To me he looked like a robot lawyer who had been programmed to respond "I don't know."

Ed at www.anthraxinvestigation.com

132 posted on 03/12/2007 10:42:36 AM PDT by EdLake
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To: EdLake
He probably knew the answers to questions about his name and profession.

Ha-ha! Yeah, he probably did, but even that might be giving him a little too much benefit of the doubt.

133 posted on 03/12/2007 10:53:22 AM PDT by jpl
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To: muawiyah
I do not recall ever saying that it was possible

Actually you did.

Here it is:

"If the attack had gone off as planned, at least 25,000 people on Capitol Hill would have died of anthrax. Another 800,000 people in the USPS would have died. Tens of millions of postal customers, particularly in the East Coast, would have died."

But why let facts get in the way of your bullsh**.

L

134 posted on 03/12/2007 1:31:28 PM PDT by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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To: Lurker
Apparantly you cannot comprehend the English language. Is it your second or third tongue?

"IF" means "IF" ~ and "AS PLANNED" includes the state of mind of the planners. Since the plan was flawed and did not have sufficient elements to work the way the planners wished, that doesn't let the planners off the hook ~ which is what the appeasers and leftwingnuts want us to think.

Your position in this debate has nothing whatsoever to do with whether the terrorists had sufficient anthrax ~ you just want to discredit the idea that the terrorists INTENDED TO KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE and DESTROY THE UNITED STATES ECONOMY.

For that reason alone it is fully justified for the United States to pick apart the former Islamic Caliphate a country at a time and remake the place.

135 posted on 03/12/2007 5:04:01 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: EdLake
You claimed on your website that last night's Anthrax
segment on "60 Minutes" was probably not their "finest
hour", but let me say that it was a typical example of
that CBS' news magazine's type of hour.

This show has ALWAYS slanted their info to the left to
accommodate their liberal agenda. Why should they let
the facts of BHR and the hunt for a right wing crazy,
that has been fruitless for 5 and a half years, get in
the way of their story. A story in which they can bash
Ashcroft and the FBI, under Bush.

I have my own problems with the way the investigation ran
under Ashcroft's DOJ, but for CBS News, the temptation is
just too strong not to pinch him at the exclusion of all
the other actors that were in play.

CBS still hopes it to be a domestic scientist so they can
say, "see, right wingers are more dangerous then those on
the left".

Yes, only so much can be said within a short segment, but
certain lines of questioning displayed an ignorance of
the case in general.

The discussion of the Fort Detrick's anthrax slurry and
it being converted into a powdered form, was an exercise
in futility, as only a small sample of "seed" bacteria
would be needed to grow a larger stock of the bug.

Also the hound dogs reacting to Hatfill's apartment. No
mention was made as to what type of scent the dogs were
"keyed" on to begin with.

Anyone who was unfamiliar with the case and saw the segment
last night, walked away being little more enlightened. But,
for better or worse, it will help stir the pot as publicity
always gets people talking on an issue....JJ61
136 posted on 03/12/2007 5:21:33 PM PDT by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: muawiyah
"AS PLANNED" includes the state of mind of the planners.

Blah, blah, blah....

"State of mind" isn't capable of lethality.

You're a hysterical blowhard who doesn't have his facts straight and your hyperbole aids the enemy.

L

137 posted on 03/12/2007 10:20:31 PM PDT by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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To: muawiyah

Private Snafu is back I see.

L

138 posted on 03/12/2007 10:53:14 PM PDT by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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To: Lurker
Nonsense. What aids the enemy in a war where any of us can be attacked at any time (mostly due to the indolence and lack of concern of the Democrats) is ignorance of what the enemy has planned, and ignorance of how utterly stupid, and therefore dangerous, they really can be.

Too many people like you don't wish to know what the enemy is thinking nor do you have any intention of countering him.

All you care about is your three hots and a cot.

139 posted on 03/13/2007 5:14:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Too many people like you don't wish to know what the enemy is thinking nor do you have any intention of countering him.

I spend in excess of 40 hours a week planning to 'counter' and prevent 'him'. I do it for a living.

You're exactly the kind of person the old Private Snafu stuff was made about. A dimwitted panic monger who doesn't even realize that his bumbling and stumbling is actually giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

And you're exactly the kind of person the people in my profession spend countless hours having to debunk when we should be putting our efforts into mitigation, preparation, equipment, and exercises.

But instead inevitably there's always some idiot in the crowd who talks about how this stuff can kill 'millions and millions' which then requires that we waste our time repeating the accurate scientifically researched and documented evidence that's already easily available to the public for anyone with the inclination and intelligence to simply go find it.

It's become painfully evident that you possess neither of those qualities.

You're more interested in passing bogus half baked theories about what you think could have happened.

I spend hours and hours in classroom training, real world exercises, and then training members of emergency response teams and the public on these subjects.

You're a frigging keyboard commando who talks through his backside.

You waste our time.

You waste our money.

You don't know what you're talking about and you look like an idiot when you try.

So stop.

L

140 posted on 03/13/2007 5:41:06 AM PDT by Lurker (Calling islam a religion is like calling a car a submarine.)
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