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'Celebration' banned for Jamestown's 400th--You can't celebrate an invasion
Worldnetdaily ^ | 3-8-07 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 03/08/2007 5:24:52 AM PST by SJackson

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To: bboop
I'm thinking the Vikings would still be a-raping and a-pillaging if it were not for Christianity.

Perhaps. Don't mention it to the Jamestown people, they'll start berating the colony as Christian invaders.

41 posted on 03/08/2007 7:04:08 AM PST by SJackson (No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms, Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

No, the white man intentionally brought smallpox among the Indian Nations. He was immune.


42 posted on 03/08/2007 7:07:31 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: SJackson

You forgot the barf alert.


43 posted on 03/08/2007 7:13:23 AM PST by ukie55
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To: ichabod1

Some historians have made much of an incident in Pontiac's rebellion in which Fort Pitt was besieged. There is no doubt the Indian intent was to slaughter every person in the fort, save whatever few they might fancy to take as captives.

During a parley with the attackers, a British officer handed the Indian representatives two blankets and a handkerchief thought to have been exposed to smallpox, in a desperate gambit to break the siege and save the lives of those inside.

The gambit in fact failed, as the Indians outside who kept up the siege were apparently unaffected by disease a month later.

Nevertheless, many Indians in attacks on other locations did contract the disease and spread it in their villages when they returned. This outbreak of the disease predated the blanket-giving incident at Fort Pitt. It appears that as the Indians in these other locations were slaughtering their victims (an up-close and personal activity), during this contact they contracted the disease. So some of these Indians thus got their just desserts.


44 posted on 03/08/2007 7:22:08 AM PST by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: Military family member

Look at it this way. Consider a hypothetical. What if there were no other tribes in North America, except the tribes near the shores of present day Virginia. Would it be accurate to say that those tribes had a rightful claim over unoccupied lands in the Pacific Northwest of North America, simply because there is no Ocean in between?

Modern states have formal arrangements between one another recognizing established boundaries, etc. This is the basis of their claims. But if suddenly an unoccupied large continent were discovered, no single country would have a right to simply declare ownership of the entire region without some utilization of it, would they? They wouldn't have a right to say that the entire continent belongs to them because they have 3,000 settlers covering only 1/1000th of it, would they?


45 posted on 03/08/2007 7:26:38 AM PST by dinoparty
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To: SJackson

But if you take this argument to its logical conclusion, you could argue that there should not even be a park or memorial in the Jamestown vicinty. The very existence of any reminder of historic Jamestown could be considered a "celebration of invasion".


46 posted on 03/08/2007 7:29:55 AM PST by blitzgig
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To: SJackson
The liberals hate America and they hate its founding. More Liberal PeeCee bullcrap. Why are they ashamed of their own country??

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

47 posted on 03/08/2007 7:34:00 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: bboop

It would seem that these revisionists with such a narrow, agenda driven view of history would have us all leave the continent immediately to the so-called aborigines. Anything short of that and entitles them to their ranting and distortion ad infinitum.

They wouldn't even be here but for their own 'invader' ancestors. Until they turn over the deed to their own property to the descendants of those poor displaced tribes, they need to shut down and shut up.


48 posted on 03/08/2007 7:34:21 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: SJackson
Because they were late? The Spaniards had been here for a hundred years already.

Something about that history thing, especially considering the conquest of Mexico, and colonization of Florida, as well as explorations reaching at least as far north as Colorado.

Not to mention the Vikings...

49 posted on 03/08/2007 7:44:18 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: dmz

If we had just dropped a nuke on the Indians we would not have been invaders. Worked for Japan.


50 posted on 03/08/2007 7:53:48 AM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

These people never heard of places like Blood Mountain


51 posted on 03/08/2007 7:56:45 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: SJackson

VA isn't for lovers. It's for chickens.


52 posted on 03/08/2007 7:57:56 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: SJackson
But I thought little Mary was in favor of illegal immigration?

"You can't celebrate an invasion," Mary Wade, a member of Jamestown 2007 organizing committee, has stated. After all, Indian tribes "were pushed back off of their land, even killed.

Mary dearest. You're either in favor of illegal immigraton or you're not. Which is it?
53 posted on 03/08/2007 7:58:32 AM PST by Santiago de la Vega (El hijo del Zorro)
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To: SJackson
Said one commentary by Ken Adams, a tribal leader: "The British government finally sent enough people to take over all the land, which the Indians owned, and in the process of the wars that followed, 90 percent of an entire human race of people died."

Perhaps it wasn't true of every tribe of Indian, but from what I understand, at least most of them thought that no one could 'own' land.

54 posted on 03/08/2007 10:01:03 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: SJackson; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; GeorgeW23225; ...
'Celebration' banned for Jamestown's 400th--You can't celebrate an invasion

Ohfercryinoutloud...so they're saying "commemoration" instead of "celebration."

The reality is there ARE significant contributions by the American Indians and the African Americans over the last 400 years. But the reality also is that there is a HUGE emphasis on the English settlement beginning with a reenactment of the landing at Cape Henry.

But with concerts, seminars, special exhibits, fireworks, a visit by the Queen and more fretting over the use of one word is just a bit silly.

America's 400th Anniversary: 2007 Signature Events

55 posted on 03/08/2007 10:12:10 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com * http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Thanks so much for that link!!!!!!!!


56 posted on 03/08/2007 10:20:16 AM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Gabz

You're welcome.

I must do what I can to stamp out hysteria.


57 posted on 03/08/2007 10:25:56 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com * http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Just last night my husband commented about having to start scheduling his vacation time and I said I would be interested in checking out some of the 400th Celebration stuff.......and now you provided me with a link for info!!!


58 posted on 03/08/2007 10:31:50 AM PST by Gabz (I like mine with lettuce and tomato, heinz57 and french-fried potatoes)
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To: Gabz

Glad to help.


59 posted on 03/08/2007 10:36:56 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (http://www.virginiaisforrudy.com * http://wardsmythe.com)
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To: dinoparty
All of this would have been true, if the white settlers had simply stayed in the unoccupied areas. But they did not. In fact, the Royal Charter for the Virginia Colonies under King William III stated that everything within its boarders was the property of the crown, including the lands occupied by the Indians.

The American government did remove millions of Indians and relocated them to other areas. That is an historic fact. The American Government did perform acts, such as providing blankets contaminated with small pox, which by all rights can be considered the act of an invading force.

We did not stay on our side of the boarder. The American Government broke more treaties with Native Americans than did the Native Americans. The various tribes east of the Mississippi were predominately stationary. They lived in permanent villages. The American army forcibly removed them.

I believe the founding of Jamestown should be celebrated, but let's not ignore the fact that the Native peoples were not always treated with fairness.

60 posted on 03/08/2007 11:05:19 AM PST by Military family member (GO Colts!!)
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