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Giuliani Can't Win the General Election
The Sierra Times ^ | 03/07/2007 | John Bender

Posted on 03/07/2007 4:32:54 AM PST by Verax

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To: Verax
I don't know about all the rest of this but , reading the posts here and on other threads I think this statement, nails it.

The Republican establishment doesn’t like conservatives

I will vote for the candidate that I believe is best for America. I have no desire to belong to or give loyalty to a party that really doesn't care what I think, doesn't like me, and wishes I would go away after I vote for it, every 2 years.

81 posted on 03/07/2007 6:06:48 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

"Question.... do you all think that Newt Gingrich could be added to the "conservative" winners list if he runs?"

Gingrich would be a stellar "conservative" candidate...but has no shot of winning. Too polarizing, regardless of how right he is.


82 posted on 03/07/2007 6:07:25 AM PST by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Jim Noble

Yes


83 posted on 03/07/2007 6:07:54 AM PST by Verax ("Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: Jim Noble

Yes


84 posted on 03/07/2007 6:07:57 AM PST by Verax ("Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: Jim Noble

Yes


85 posted on 03/07/2007 6:08:01 AM PST by Verax ("Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: InfraRed

86 posted on 03/07/2007 6:09:03 AM PST by Verax ("Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: zook

I see. Yet another freeper who insists that Rudy has a lock on the Republican nomination.

Let's just forget the convention this time around. There's no point, right?


87 posted on 03/07/2007 6:11:34 AM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: CindyDawg
Being "irrelevant to the political debate" seems to be a badge of Honor here recently.

"well I want (x) to win, but if he doesn't win, I will vote for whomever is the Republican nominee.

With no moral compass, the GOP's Billboard will read: Vote for who we tell you to vote for. If you don't, you are supporting the Democrats. You don't want to support the Democrats now do ya?

So they will run a Democrat?

88 posted on 03/07/2007 6:15:22 AM PST by Afronaut (Supporting Republican Liberals is the Undeniable End to Freedom)
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To: zook
The writer overestimates the number of conservatives who will stay home and severely underestimates the number of independents and moderates who will vote for Rudy.

I see you're willing to bet the White House on that. We'll see who is right next year.

89 posted on 03/07/2007 6:16:49 AM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Jim Noble

Your questions and analysis are right on point. I don't necessarily like your conclusions, but it's hard not to agree with them.


90 posted on 03/07/2007 6:17:56 AM PST by shadowfighter
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To: Afronaut

While holding on to my Independence, I have always been proud to be a friend of and support the Republican Party. They have nominated several conservative men that went on to be fine presidents, including the one in office now.


91 posted on 03/07/2007 6:20:25 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: zook

The last poll I saw shows Rudy losing to Hillary in New York state by a landslide. Do you have a more recent poll showing a different outcome?


92 posted on 03/07/2007 6:21:59 AM PST by sergeantdave (Ice-cubes melting in the sun is an act of God. Get over it, Gore.)
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To: Condor51

How did Duncan Hunter fare in that poll?


94 posted on 03/07/2007 6:23:03 AM PST by jonathanmo (Who Is Bob Stump?)
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To: stockstrader

Which party is the Third Party? Libertarian?


95 posted on 03/07/2007 6:24:10 AM PST by jonathanmo (Who Is Bob Stump?)
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To: tcostell
tcostell wrote: "Personally I think he should be running as a Democrat."

Brilliant! Exactly so!

If Julie-Annie was running as a Demoncrat, he would have already locked in the nomination! No contest!

96 posted on 03/07/2007 6:26:05 AM PST by Designer II
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To: Jim Noble
I like Socons. I, personally, am not afraid of a Socon governing majority.

Most of us agree. However, dare I say the problem with today's GOP is leaders like Brownback, and yes, W, have decided that being pro-life and anti gay marriage is ALL you need, while still selling us down the river as far as immigration and adding more and more Socialism. That is what has driven people away from the party - those who aren't hostile to socon values, but really focus more on fiscal and economic issues, things which the GOP has neglected.

97 posted on 03/07/2007 6:26:52 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: shadowfighter
I don't necessarily like your conclusions

Thanks. I didn't post 'em because I like 'em.

98 posted on 03/07/2007 6:26:55 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Williams; Jim Robinson
"Rudy is a hero of 9-11 and cleaning up New York. I don't agree with his liberal side either, but he has promised to appoint Conservative judges. That is what matters. The democrats will appoint 9 Ruth Bader Ginzbergs. This is reality."

From the horse's mouth: "Presidents, going back to the beginning of the republic, generally appoint people on the Supreme Court that they believe agree with them." -- Rudy Giuliani, July 2005

THAT, my FRiend, is reality.

99 posted on 03/07/2007 6:31:10 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: stockstrader

Ok, but here's what I don't understand. Under a Giuliani presidency gun laws stay pretty much unchanged: some big cities may restrict ownership while other areas of the country may continue to do likewise. Michigan passed a cc law in the past 5 or so years, and I don't see that being overturned under a Rudy White House. In fact, Rudy has recently gone on record stating that he has no plans to change anything regarding the 2nd Amendment--sort of like what Bush has done.

Almost the same thing can be argued regarding abortion. Though I note that Rudy has defended late term abortions in the past, his recent statements run to the contrary. He's essentially pro-choice, but favors parental rights and says he would appoint justices similar to those already appointed by Bush. All in all, I don't see US abortion policy changing much under Rudy from what it is right now.

But in nearly every other area, especially the War, Rudy's views seem quite solid to me. On the war, on defending Israel, he is staunchly conservative. And I see a stark, stone cold contrast between his views and those of any Democrat when it comes to fighting Islamic extremism.

It's hard for me to understand how anyone could claim there was no substantial difference between Rudy and a Democrat candidate.


100 posted on 03/07/2007 6:33:35 AM PST by zook
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