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Giuliani Can't Win the General Election
The Sierra Times ^ | 03/07/2007 | John Bender

Posted on 03/07/2007 4:32:54 AM PST by Verax

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To: freedomfiter2
I don't understand people like you. I am going to vote for Duncan Hunter in the primary but if he doesn't win the nomination I am supposed to do what exactly??

1. Write my primary choice in, in the general election.
2. Stay home and don't vote.
3. Vote for the Republican nominee.

If I do either 1. or 2. I will elect a democrat so instead of electing hillary I think I will do 3.vote for the Republican nominee in the general election.

Tell me where I am wrong.
61 posted on 03/07/2007 5:39:18 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Jim Noble
Great question Jim

Let's look at the powerful combinations of voting blocks that Ron Paul would be able to COMBINE in a new way for Republicans...

Obama vs Paul

Oppose War In IRAQ - 59% of the population
Tax/Monetary Reform - Libertarians & Fiscal conservatives
Immigration Reform - 70% of American public
Combat Veteran
Supports Legalization of Industrial Hemp
Gun Owners - Huge numbers
Opposes the Death Penalty & Pro Life - Catholic/Evangelical votes

62 posted on 03/07/2007 5:40:07 AM PST by Verax ("Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: Verax
I support the death penalty and I do support the War and I won't support any one who thinks little of both.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

63 posted on 03/07/2007 5:40:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

The RINOs simply do not want to admit the United States is a conservative nation.

It really boils down to common sense and the voter. The entire Guiliani campaign is premised on the meme that the content of character can be seperated from the candidate.

Where have we heard that before?

When bill clinton was running for office and we were being told by the MSM character does not matter when it came to bill clinton's lying and affairs.


64 posted on 03/07/2007 5:41:12 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Verax
Great question Jim Let's look at the powerful combinations of voting blocks that Ron Paul would be able to COMBINE in a new way for Republicans...

Can we have your best-case number, please?

65 posted on 03/07/2007 5:42:39 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Verax
This article is spot on Rudy CAN'T win.

Play the Electoral Vote 'game'. You can give Rudy every State that touches water on both coasts - Red and Blue - and he comes up SHORT.

Plus he's still behind Hillary in NY by 10%. No POTUS has ever lost his home state and won - except Al Gore (hahaha). Plus he's tied with the Beast in FL and is behind her in Ohio.

Rudy would give the RATS the biggest landslide since LBJ.

66 posted on 03/07/2007 5:43:19 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: Ditter

Tell me where I am wrong.


You're wrong in thinking that allowing the GOP to win with a liberal candidate will not affect the future. The only voters who have a voice in our government are the ones that make the politicians work to get their vote.


67 posted on 03/07/2007 5:44:18 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: Condor51
In NY state Rudy is behind Hillary in the latest Quinnipiac poll 50% to 40%. And he BARELY leads Hillary in FL (today's poll), and with the MOE it's a tie.

Wow, I hope the Republicans read this very carfully...

The SUPERSTAR savior of New York is 10 points behind carpet-bagging, trail-of-dead-white-house-staffers Hillary in HIS HOME STATE!!

Isn't this a Red Flag, especally after the last election?

68 posted on 03/07/2007 5:45:23 AM PST by Verax ("Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: Enosh
Oh, yes. The South has a long history of voting in lockstep with New York. (/s)

The South is about as solidly Republican now as it had been solidly Democrat before 1960. Giuliani is the 2008 equivalent of the last New York City native to run for President: Al Smith. Al Smith was a "wet" Catholic facing the electorate in a "dry", mostly Protestant South and lost the Upper South states of NC, VA, and TN, the Border states of WV, KY, and MO. Rudoplph Giuliani is a socially liberal secularist in the socially conservative, and still mostly Protestant, South. His supporters are living in a fantasy world if they expect the evangelicals and the gun owners of the South to vote enthusiastically for him. His perceived toughness on foreign policy is the only strong point in the traditionally pro-military South. As with Smith 80 years ago, he may lose the Upper South and the Border States.

However, Giuliani may be able to offset the loss of these states by picking up much of the Northeast, PA, NH, DE, and NJ almost certainly and maybe his home state of NY, CT, and ME. The key to his election is CA, and his political profile is similar to that of Arnold Schwarzenegger.

69 posted on 03/07/2007 5:47:24 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Jim Noble
"But the bulk of the swing vote, which doesn't really belong to either side, is either appalled by, or terrified of, Dobsonites, Schiavo-savers, and free exercisers."

Thus sayeth the Czar of the Starvation Nation. "Spaceba Bolshoi," replied the DSA.

"The people who keep posting pictures of Rudy in drag want to McGovernize first the process, then the party."

Yea, those big meanies made Giuliette dress up in drag. Twice!

70 posted on 03/07/2007 5:47:44 AM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: zook
all or most of the south

Sure, do you know how many gun owners there are in the south?? You probably think algore carried Tennessee don't you? Most of the ones that would vote for him for doing his cousin cannot read and don't vote. Oh, I'm southern and I can make that joke, it's a southern thang.

71 posted on 03/07/2007 5:48:04 AM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: Jim Noble
56%

Ron Paul will take FAR MORE voters from the LEFT than HILLARY OR OBAMA will take from the RIGHT

72 posted on 03/07/2007 5:48:14 AM PST by Verax ("Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: Verax
****The SUPERSTAR savior of New York is 10 points behind carpet-bagging, trail-of-dead-white-house-staffers Hillary in HIS HOME STATE!! Isn't this a Red Flag, especially after the last election?****

It should be, but the rudybots, rudy rooters, rudyites, etc IGNORE that poll and push the one where he leads in NJ.

NY has 31 EVs, NJ has a measly 15, yet they pimp the 15. Go figure.

73 posted on 03/07/2007 5:52:03 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: org.whodat

No southerner's gun is threatened by Giuliani and he's made that clear.

If Rudy gets the nomination, southern gun owners are going to say, "hmm, let's see. Rudy or Hillary?" or "Rudy or Obama?"

I know enough about southern gun owners to know how they'll answer that question.


74 posted on 03/07/2007 5:55:54 AM PST by zook
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To: Texas Patriot
The president cannot overturn Roe v Wade. Period. Nor has ANY pro life conservative republican president, including Ronald Reagan, even showed up in person at the pro life rally. Giuliani will appoint conservative judges and that is all anyone else has ever done.

If a democrat is elected, and a democrat Congress, abortions including late term abortions will be the order of the day.

75 posted on 03/07/2007 5:56:05 AM PST by Williams
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To: zook
This conservative will never ever vote for a liberal like Guiliani. My family (ok, only 4 votes) will vote Third Party--and do our best to convince others to vote Third Party or stay home rather than vote for a liberal, lawyer from New York (either one of them).

So you can easily replace us with liberals and independents? Maybe, maybe not---but regardless, enjoy your NEW Party.

76 posted on 03/07/2007 5:57:53 AM PST by stockstrader ("Where government advances--and it advances relentlessly--freedom is imperiled"-Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Williams
...but he has promised to appoint Conservative judges. That is what matters.

COLMES: Now, on abortion ? now, you are pro-choice, right?

GIULIANI: Yes.

COLMES: You're a pro-choice Republican.

GIULIANI: I am.

[snip]

GIULIANI: Sure. That's be exactly the kind of person you'd think that you'd want to appoint, somebody who shares kind of your general outlook, but hasn't indicated and hasn't really predetermined most of the cases that are going to be determined by the court.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1796562/posts

Hmmm... Anybody know what Rudy's "general outlook" might be?

OH, that's right...

Tim Russert: "Whether it's gays in the military, gun control, campaign finance, late term abortion - you and Hillary Clinton are in sync on those issues."

Rudy Giuliani: "Well then maybe the other side should stop the 'He's part of the vast right wing conspiracy'." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1796268/posts?page=45#45


77 posted on 03/07/2007 5:58:53 AM PST by InfraRed
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To: Fawn
In December 2005, the Steelers had just lost their third straight game, had a record of 7-5 and were written off as dead in the water by local and national sports experts. They won the next 8 games and the Superbowl and the experts that had predicted the future were once again proven wrong. If this guy is so damn good at predicting the future, why didn't he have yesterdays powerball ticket? Global warming will kill us all before the 2008 election so "What, me worry?"


78 posted on 03/07/2007 6:01:23 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: stockstrader

AMEN brother!


79 posted on 03/07/2007 6:02:15 AM PST by Verax ("Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated - Planned Parenthood President,")
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To: Verax
56%

You believe that if Ron Paul were the nominee that in the general election that he would get 56 out of every hundred votes cast?

80 posted on 03/07/2007 6:06:35 AM PST by Jim Noble
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