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Giuliani Can't Win the General Election
The Sierra Times ^ | 03/07/2007 | John Bender

Posted on 03/07/2007 4:32:54 AM PST by Verax

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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

You are lying. There is no need to shut out something that isn't there. There is no candidate beloved of the social conservatives who can win ONE primary, not one.

I guess that is the fault of Rudyphiles, too.


141 posted on 03/07/2007 7:41:53 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: zook

The repubs lost the senate and house with that thinking... keep going if you want to lose the general also...


142 posted on 03/07/2007 7:42:27 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: Hydroshock

No, sorry, but thanks for playing.


143 posted on 03/07/2007 7:43:22 AM PST by zook
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To: zook; Hydroshock

No, Rudy is not a flaming liberal, except perhaps among those who have 5 more important issues than America's war for survival against Islamofascism.


Well okay, but you have to admit that he's at least a flickering liberal.


144 posted on 03/07/2007 7:44:15 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: jonathanmo
** That poll was from Feb 14...***

I know. For some reason Quinnipiac hasn't taken another one in NY state.

But since the Rudy rooters like their other polls, as in NJ, I'll keep using it until a later one turns up.

145 posted on 03/07/2007 7:45:15 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: dmw

dimwittery is not funny.


146 posted on 03/07/2007 7:45:57 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: zook

I'm a gun owner, NRA member and gun board moderator and I'll vote for Rudy right after hell freezes over...

GHWB earned an NRA "no endorsement" and droves of the membership voted Perot... Want to watch that happen again? Nominate Rudy, we're in a really foul mood.


147 posted on 03/07/2007 7:47:31 AM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

These left wingers that pander to a democrat with an R by ITS name want their liberal to be anointed one year before the primaries because of fake popularity polls.

No issuses allowed, just bow to the little tin god.


148 posted on 03/07/2007 7:49:25 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto)
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To: SJackson

"Can you convince me that Rudy is clearly superior to Duncan Hunter or Newt Gingrich?"

No. But in my opinion today, Rudy is far more electable than either of them.


149 posted on 03/07/2007 7:51:26 AM PST by zook
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To: Enosh

Actually the Southern-New York alliance has been the centerpiece of Democrat strategy since 1796. Jefferson, Madison, Aaron Burr and George Clinton created it. Burr was Jefferson's first VP, Clinton his second. That was the axis of the Democrat party and has remained that way. Andrew Jackson's VP was Martin Van Buren of NY. NY Democrats aided the Secessionists every way they could including rioting over the draft during the Civil War.

Franklin Roosevelt was the most successful politician of the 20th century because he could count on the racist Democrat party in the South to produce his victories through suppression of the black Republican vote.


150 posted on 03/07/2007 7:52:46 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: El Laton Caliente

If what you describe happens again, if gun owners flock to some hopeless third party, then they will have *only* themselves to blame for the state they'll be in after a Democrat WH victory. Frankly, I think most gun owners are smarter than that.


151 posted on 03/07/2007 7:54:47 AM PST by zook
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To: RockinRight

those who aren't hostile to socon values, but really focus more on fiscal and economic issues, things which the GOP has neglected.




Well thats me....however neglected is too kind of a word.

Either out of laziness or lack of interest they punted many important conservative issues.


152 posted on 03/07/2007 7:55:51 AM PST by Blackirish
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To: pgkdan

The only state in the South which MIGHT not vote for Rudy is Arkansas. He will cream Hillary even if the Temper Tantrum Party gets 2% of the socons. No electoral votes will be changed by whatever trivality the Implacables pose as an alternative to Rudy.


153 posted on 03/07/2007 7:56:00 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: zook; El Laton Caliente

If what you describe happens again, if gun owners flock to some hopeless third party, then they will have *only* themselves to blame for the state they'll be in after a Democrat WH victory. Frankly, I think most gun owners are smarter than that.


How is losing gun rights to a Republican better than losing them to a Democrat?


154 posted on 03/07/2007 7:57:47 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: Hydroshock

"I will not under any circumstances vote for Rino Rudy, I will go third party first." SO? You have already admitted you are not even a Republican. Who cares what YOU think about the Republican nominee?


155 posted on 03/07/2007 7:58:05 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: Verax

You forgot to add NUTBALL to Ron Paul's list of attributes.

And it should be capitalized.


156 posted on 03/07/2007 7:59:03 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: zook
Perhaps, if he win's the nomination I think the attention given to "important issues" like his divorce, his charity and Saturday Night Live appearances rather than his positions will have played a part.

In fact while Rudy's been reasonably clear on things like gun control, abortion, and gay unions which lend themselves to soundbites, I'm not sure Rudy really has a strategy on the WOT. Or for controlling immigration post amnesty.

157 posted on 03/07/2007 7:59:46 AM PST by SJackson (No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms, Thomas Jefferson)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"dimwittery is not funny."

I know. Now, if only you could convince the rest of your dimwitter Rudybots to understand that we'd all be a lot better off.


158 posted on 03/07/2007 8:00:10 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

SO? You have already admitted you are not even a Republican. Who cares what YOU think about the Republican nominee?


Would you support the GOP nominee if it was Hillary?


159 posted on 03/07/2007 8:00:38 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: freedomfiter2

Well, as I've tried to explain here previously, my opinion based on what Rudy has said is that our gun rights will remain unchanged. No one will take your gun under Rudy. He's made that clear.

Now, it is true that some New Yorkers lost gun rights when Rudy was mayor, just as some Chicagoans lost gun rights under Daily--when RONALD REAGAN was president.

Note that the restrictions in New York and Chicago continued under GWB.


160 posted on 03/07/2007 8:01:02 AM PST by zook
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