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Giuliani Can't Win the General Election
The Sierra Times ^ | 03/07/2007 | John Bender

Posted on 03/07/2007 4:32:54 AM PST by Verax

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To: ffusco

Fred Thompson's not unelectable...but at this point, there only seems to be a slight chance that he'd consider running and if he were to do it, better do it fast...


101 posted on 03/07/2007 6:34:07 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: Enosh

Your conclusion, "let's just forget the convention," doesn't follow from your premise. And your premise is not correct. I don't see anyone having a lock on anything right now.


102 posted on 03/07/2007 6:35:23 AM PST by zook
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To: jonathanmo
****How did Duncan Hunter fare in that poll?****

Irrelevant, straw man.
The question isn't Duncan Hunter, it's Rudy vs Hillary now and Rudy LOSES.

103 posted on 03/07/2007 6:35:45 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: RockinRight

However, dare I say the problem with today's GOP is leaders like Brownback, and yes, W, have decided that being pro-life and anti gay marriage is ALL you need, while still selling us down the river as far as immigration and adding more and more Socialism.


You're right. This kind of behavior is driving soc-cons away as well.


104 posted on 03/07/2007 6:37:46 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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To: sergeantdave

Yes, I think I have seen such a poll, but I'm not sure when or where. Polls tend to be rather meaningless right now. But even if Rudy didn't take NY, Hillary would still have to spend more time and money defending it than she would otherwise. Moreover, I think NJ would also fall in Rudy's camp.


105 posted on 03/07/2007 6:38:37 AM PST by zook
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To: LibKill
LibKill wrote: "30 years of blind loyalty are enough.."

Yup. I'm with you. Constitution Party this time for sure.

I have actually tried for years to "work within the Party" (Pubbies, of course), and find that I am "rewarded" with the sad situation we are in right now.

Flame on, you flamers!

106 posted on 03/07/2007 6:40:20 AM PST by Designer II
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To: Condor51
That poll was from Feb 14...we'll see how the trend goes on the next one...Hillary has been tanking a bit lately and the poll indicates Rudy would win over Obama.

Hopefully you can come up with a candidate you are for, as supposed to someone you are against.
107 posted on 03/07/2007 6:41:43 AM PST by jonathanmo (Who Is Bob Stump?)
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To: Verax

"There are now four conservatives in the race for the Republican nomination; Rep. Ron Paul, Rep. Duncan Hunter, Governor Jim Gilmore, and Rep. Tom Tancredo. Any one of these gentlemen could beat Hillary or Obama in the general election."

What's this guy smokin'.


108 posted on 03/07/2007 6:42:02 AM PST by KenmcG414
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Whoa! Where did you find that?


109 posted on 03/07/2007 6:43:36 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Condor51

Rudy would beat Hillary.

I really prefer a better candidate, and don't care much for Hillary, but if Rudy gets the nomination, he wins. I just don't buy the theory that people will stay home and let Hillary win - the number of people who will stay home is a lot less than the number or 2004 Kerry voters who will cross over and vote for Rudy this time.


110 posted on 03/07/2007 6:45:24 AM PST by RockinRight (My wish for Islam - The Glass Parking Lot Formerly Known As The Middle East.)
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To: LibKill; Verax; freedomfiter2
Addendum: I should have read further down before posting my earlier reply.

Ron Paul would be the way to go, therefore I will support Ron Paul at least until Julie-Annie gets the nod.

111 posted on 03/07/2007 6:45:43 AM PST by Designer II
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To: Wallace T.
"Rudolph Giuliani is a socially liberal secularist in the socially conservative, and still mostly Protestant, South. His supporters are living in a fantasy world if they expect the evangelicals and the gun owners of the South to vote enthusiastically for him."

Correct. Southern conservatives will not support a Northeastern cosmopolitan "intellectually enlightened elitist" socially liberal secularist, just because he appears tough on the WOT. The latter qualification does not offset the former disqualifications. If the GOP insists on offering him as their candidate, then they are making a conscience decision to forfeit the 2008 presidential election.

112 posted on 03/07/2007 6:46:23 AM PST by OB1kNOb (After 20+ LONG years, a REAL conservative I can support 4 President - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: zook
It's hard for me to understand how anyone could claim there was no substantial difference between Rudy and a Democrat candidate.

There simply isn't ENOUGH substantial difference. If the GOP wants to hold the party together, socons need more than 20 percent to be motivated to support the nominee.

113 posted on 03/07/2007 6:46:57 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Verax

Even if he can win, he is a vile person with vile policies and platforms, so what kind of victory is that?

If the Republican do win with him, we still lose.


114 posted on 03/07/2007 6:48:03 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours! Keep scrubbing, Rudy supporters, the blood won't come off.)
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To: zook


I disagree too. When actually faced with the choice of Hillary or Rudy. Conservatives will have no problem showing up and voting for Rudy. They may pine for a different Republican candidate, but the thought of Hillary and Bill back in the White House will launch all conservatives to the polls in significant numbers.


115 posted on 03/07/2007 6:52:19 AM PST by DOGEY
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To: Verax
There are now four conservatives in the race for the Republican nomination; Rep. Ron Paul, Rep. Duncan Hunter, Governor Jim Gilmore, and Rep. Tom Tancredo. Any one of these gentlemen could beat Hillary or Obama in the general election. Giuliani can’t do it.

This article should be moved to Political Humor or Alternate Reality.

116 posted on 03/07/2007 6:53:56 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: CindyDawg
"Whoa! Where did you find that?

Rudy: Presidents generally appoint people on the Supreme Court that they believe agree with them.

117 posted on 03/07/2007 6:56:37 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: Williams; wolf24

yes yes your both right presidents don't over turn anything but they appoint the judges that do!yes yes I know that, but do you really think that he would appoint judges that would overturn Roe v wade? inspite of the fact that he has vowed to as he would say "protect a womens right to choose" you make the assumption that he couldn't find a so called constitutional constructionist that really believed that "a womens right to choose abortion" is in the constitution. don't bet on it!
and on gun rights with a democatically controlled congress there will be an assault weapon ban bill on his desk with in a week and do you think he wont sign it?!?!?!?!


118 posted on 03/07/2007 7:00:02 AM PST by Texas Patriot (Remember.... The Alamo, never forget HOORAHH!!!!!)
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To: zook
Ok, I'll make it easy for you then. As I oft repeat here,

"Liberal Republicans like Rudy are more dangerous than liberal democrats,,,

because liberal Republicans BLUR THE DISTINCTION between liberalism and conservatism,,

MAKING LIBERALISM MUCH MORE ACCEPTABLE"!

119 posted on 03/07/2007 7:07:49 AM PST by stockstrader ("Where government advances--and it advances relentlessly--freedom is imperiled"-Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: zook

In the case od Rino Rudy, all I can say is, So?


120 posted on 03/07/2007 7:10:29 AM PST by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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