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Verdict in Libby Trial in....reading at noon. (Guilty On 4 of 5 Charges)
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Posted on 03/06/2007 8:34:59 AM PST by Dog

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To: Mo1

All of these verdicts are based on crimes that Scooter is alleged to have committed himself -- obstruction of justice, perjury, etc. There is nothing that legally can be tied to VP Cheney or anyone else -- because there was no substantive case at all.


481 posted on 03/06/2007 9:45:32 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: steelyourfaith

While Bill Clinton... true perjurer and obstructionist, as well as rapist, makes millions selling out his country. Didn't he get his law license back recently.

While Berger, who got off will have his security clearance back in time for Hill 08... perjurer, obstructionist, huge national security info (shredded, out of history btw), walks.

The only upside you can find is the journalists on the stand... I hope Joe, Val and Fitz can be subpeonaed as well, for the appeal.
Then we'll see the misconduct and even though 8 out of 9 of Fitz's witnesses said Libby didn't tell them or they don't remember (note, the only one who said he did was Ari btw... so don't look for a pardon for sure, after all, no one stepped in from the beginning... they let Libby swing).

When the jury asked what reasonable doubt was... that should have been a clue, after all they've heard.


482 posted on 03/06/2007 9:45:41 AM PST by AliVeritas (Stop Global Dhimming. Demand testicular fortitude from the hill. Call the crusade.)
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To: xzins; blue-duncan; jude24
I think that Libby's Lawyers need to immediately motion for a Judgment NOV. There is simply no way that a reasonable jury could come to this verdict. There is no question but that there was "reasonable doubt" as to Libby's guilt on any of the counts. It was all he said/she said and nobody could really remember what was said. On top of that there was no underlying crime so even if Libby lied, it was not material.

This is a travesty of justice. But unfortunately our justice system has become a travesty.

I just heard Dennis Prager compare Fitzgerald to Nifong and indicated that they are basically cut from the same cloth.

Anyone who is not frightened by this verdict has no sense of justice and no sense of history.

483 posted on 03/06/2007 9:45:50 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Dog
I wonder what the judges instructions to the jury were.

Juries are woefully uninformed in their rights to give a proper verdict in spite of what a judge instructs.

The Minneapolis Star and Tribune in a news paper article appearing in its November 30th 1984 edition, entitled: "What judges don't tell the juries" stated:

"At the time of the adoption of the Constitution, the jury's role as defense against political oppression was unquestioned in American jurisprudence. This nation survived until the 1850's when prosecutions under the Fugitive Slave Act were largely unsuccessful because juries refused to convict."

"Then judges began to erode the institution of free juries, leading to the absurd compromise that is the current state of the law. While our courts uniformly state juries have the power to return a verdict of not guilty whatever the facts, they routinely tell the jurors the opposite."

"Further, the courts will not allow the defendants or their counsel to inform the jurors of their true power. A lawyer who made...Hamilton's argument would face professional discipline and charges of contempt of court."

"By what logic should juries have the power to acquit a defendant but no right to know about the power? The court decisions that have suppressed the notion of jury nullification cannot resolve this paradox."

"More than logic has suffered. As originally conceived, juries were to be a kind of safety valve, a way to soften the bureaucratic rigidity of the judicial system by introducing the common sense of the community. If they are to function effectively as the 'conscience of the community,' jurors must be told that they have the power and the right to say no to a prosecution in order to achieve a greater good. To cut jurors off from this information is to undermine one of our most important institutions."

"Perhaps the community should educate itself. Then Citizens called for jury duty could teach the judge a needed lesson in civics." (emphasis mine)

"The jury has a right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy."

John Jay, 1st Chief Justice
United States supreme Court, 1789

"The law itself is on trial quite as much as the cause which is to be decided."

Harlan F. Stone, 12th Chief Justice
U.S. supreme Court, 1941

"The pages of history shine on instance of the jury's exercise of its prerogative to disregard instructions of the judge..."

U.S.vs Dougherty, 473 F 2nd 113, 1139, (1972)
A well informed juror will always be excluded from serving on a jury these days.

Caution! beware of stupid Yahoo sidebar

484 posted on 03/06/2007 9:45:54 AM PST by Syncro
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To: ex-NFO
I wonder if Scooter knows anything about the administration that he'd be willing to trade for less jail time.

Good, but scary, question. This may set off a political landslide if Dirty Harry's comment is any sign. Of course, now we have a new federal crime called: Lying to MSM reporters.

485 posted on 03/06/2007 9:45:55 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: WalterSkinner

The Left does not fear Cheney as a candidate. He would stand even less a chance than Hunter. Cheney is not well-liked by the vast majority of the populace.


486 posted on 03/06/2007 9:46:06 AM PST by Cyclopean Squid (Patron Saint of Mediocrity)
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To: Mo1

I'm sure it has been said, but you didn't include the biggest liar of all, Bill Clinton.


487 posted on 03/06/2007 9:46:09 AM PST by Toespi
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To: Howlin; Txsleuth; Bahbah; onyx; All

488 posted on 03/06/2007 9:46:18 AM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: You Dirty Rats

But Fitz's hope is that now that he has Libby's 'Nads in a sling, he'll start singing like a canary on Cheney to get a lighter sentence.


489 posted on 03/06/2007 9:46:29 AM PST by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Championship U)
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To: mom4kittys

It's all about the truth as they need it to be to get the power back.


490 posted on 03/06/2007 9:46:35 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: Mo1
Russert LIED his toady ASS off!!!

I really am beginning to despise some people in this country.......HOWEVER, Libby was on the WRONG side in the Marc Rich fiasco, so maybe payback IS a bitch.

491 posted on 03/06/2007 9:46:37 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Steve_Seattle

I'm no lawyer, but lawyers are smart enough to put people like this on the stand under other auspices, even when a judge says certain things are "off limits." If nothing else, I would think they could be called as rebuttal witnesses to Russert or one of the others who said they "heard it" from Libby. But if the issue is that Libby said, flatly, he did not TALK to Russert, and they proved he did, he's in heap big trouble.


492 posted on 03/06/2007 9:46:37 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: STARWISE

No. :)


493 posted on 03/06/2007 9:46:37 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance (RINO = Rudy Is Not Ours! Keep scrubbing, Rudy supporters, the blood won't come off.)
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To: Txsleuth
Fitzy up now..."we can't tolerate anyone lying under oath"..

They tolerated CLINTON lying under oath.

Fitzi is a POS scumbag. The man is lower than Joe McCarthy. Libby's real crime is serving a Republican administration.

How many OTHER people knew before Libby's "leak" and lied during this trial only to "correct" themselves when their lies were exposed? Oh wait, we don't really care about justice or prosecuting those who offer confusing testimony, do we Fitzi?

Jury nullification is only used in the OJ and BJ trials. All others are dangerous crim'nals who deserve to be locked up. But OJ and Bubba were being persecuted because they were "black".

494 posted on 03/06/2007 9:46:43 AM PST by weegee (Carbon credits are nothing but the Global Warming movement's way of selling indugences.)
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To: lugsoul
The idiocy of this "crime" is that there was no crime to start with.

What we have here is a faux investigation until someone possibly fell foul of bad laws or laws used not for their intended purpose.

495 posted on 03/06/2007 9:46:47 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: All

damn


496 posted on 03/06/2007 9:46:55 AM PST by woofie
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To: snarkytart

Well, that didn't take long... considering they complained they couldn't get their book published recently.


497 posted on 03/06/2007 9:47:10 AM PST by AliVeritas (Stop Global Dhimming. Demand testicular fortitude from the hill. Call the crusade.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Fitz seems to fancy himself as a modern day Elliot Ness.


498 posted on 03/06/2007 9:47:48 AM PST by Howlin (Honk if you like Fred Thompson!!!)
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To: AmishDude

If that's the case, he did a piss-poor job. Napolitano is implying as much, too. I think Libby is toast, and I don't think Bush will pardon him.


499 posted on 03/06/2007 9:48:08 AM PST by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of News)
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To: Howlin

Mrs. Bill Clinton had such a hard time remembering stuff when she was on the stand in her trial too. Yet she thinks we can trust her to remember things as Co-President again.


500 posted on 03/06/2007 9:48:12 AM PST by weegee (Carbon credits are nothing but the Global Warming movement's way of selling indugences.)
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