Posted on 03/04/2007 2:53:43 AM PST by LibWhacker
As I said before, there were thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses in the South Pacific.
Who is backing up the Lindbergh accusations?
And what kind of person, seeing the awful, nauseating barbarities in this article turns around to say "We were bad too"??
What kind of person are you anyway?
No, the point is, when you face a barbaric enemy who has previously proven to be suicidal, you shoot first.
And they started it, not us. Get it straight.
As for thsi movie you claim, I was in Germany in the 70's myself, and EVERY young German knew more of the Holocaust han I did, and even told me of the hundreds of death camps and concentration camps.
They knew of the Malmedy massacre, they knew of Rudolph Hess flying to England, and they knew of Rommell's involvement in the asasination plot against Hitler.
In fact, they knew more than I did, and I was a WWII buff growing up.
So to make some claim that the German youth didn't know, that is falling on deaf ears here, it was MANDATORY to be taught in their schools all their lives.
If anyone "refuted my anti-military agenda", why would I stand in their way? (hint: you might want to look up the word "refute")
If Lindburgh was a "factory Rep', then he HAD to have govt approval.
I was an Air Winger, my Mom and Dad were WWII Navy, and thereis no way he just up and went on his own dime into a war zone.
Drooling over what a wonderful guy Lindbergh was doesn't cut it. Where is the evidence?
Are you and NewLand just itching for a fight? Or what?
I see he had to call in reserves.
That's exactly what I'd like to find. I told NewLand I wanted the truth, and that's exactly what I want.
When Lindbergh discovered what was going on, it upset him a good bit. He spent some time traveling around, attempting to document the extent of the barbarity. It's been a while since I've read his diaries, but I seem to remember he had several posts on the issue. It shocked me when I read it, because I had the same idealistic view of our soldiers that NewLand has.
The only "corroborating evidence" is the constant drumbeat in historical accounts that "the japs refused to surrender, the japs refused to surrender, the japs refused to surrender". Perhaps that was the case much of the time. But it was telling that we typically got *zero* prisoners, until rewards were offered for prisoners, then commanders got lots of prisoners. If the situation was that "the japs refused to surrender", then there would still have been zero prisoners after rewards were offered.
Lindbergh was the enemy of the left, in the same manner that Newt Gingrich is their enemy. You apparently want to accept the accusations of the Democrats, who were worried about Lindbergh running for president.
And what IS your agenda, anyway?
In this post my agenda is to slow down the pride and chest beating that America's enemys are evil, while our soldiers are saints. Sorry, it's just a bit more complicated than that.
I notice that you have ignored the question about your country of birth. Is it America? It makes a difference.
At this point, you probably wouldn't believe me, whatever I said. You're operating on emotion and a great number of assumptions.
Now make your case with facts or shut up. One questionable source doesn't cut it, narbo.
Back it up.
btw, there is not ONE person who has ever said that our soldiers were 'saints,' so give up that leftist bilge now.
If you're not proud of being an American, and proud of what our soldiers have done over the centuries to protect us from those who commit atrocities, then maybe this is the wrong country for you to be living in.
You're fighting awfully hard to attack our soldiers' honor. But you have yet to come up with any form of proof.
Why should anyone believe anything you say? We know better by now......
That is shameful, disgusting behavior.
No one has ever said that American soldiers have done no wrong. That would be a denial of human nature.
But that is a FAR cry from what you are doing here.......and what you are doing here is despicable.
Because the chest beating pride of finding yet another japanese "fiend" is just too much for me. Enough already. Nobody's perfect, and certianly no country has a patent against bad actions.
What was that recent story about a large civilian population that our soldiers machine gunned in Korea? Thank goodness we apparently no longer tolerate such barbarity in the ranks.
One part that bothers me was the decisions of the air force B-29 commanders in the theater. The Eighth air force in Europe had lost thousands of men, trying hard to destroy military targets, while killing as few civilians as possible. But over Japan, the early tactic of carrying high explosive bombs was abandoned, because the results were "insufficient". Now, that just doesn't make sense. The B-29 was a far more capable airplane, and the Japanese didn't have nearly the air defense that Germany had in 1943. So why did they switch to fire bombs? The only purpose of fire bombs was to kill civilians. Forget the nukes. The firebomb raids killed far more civilians in Tokyo, Kyoto, etc.
What happened to our national morality between 1943 and 1945? Why was risking airmen to hit a military target the proper thing to do over Germany, but not Japan?
I think one of the quotes above was "we fought to win in Germany, but we killed the Japanese". Something like that.
My dad was in the occupation forces right after VJ day. No, he didn't do any fighting, he got into the war too late. No, my mother is not Japanese. I'm 100% pure American (part Cherokee). I wish I could ask my dad whether he heard any barracks stories about this stuff, but he died before I ever read Lindbergh's diary.
It'd be nice to know the truth. An admission by a few brave Americans that this occured. Or perhaps evidence that it did not, via prosecution of some American that *did* participate in battle field murders (there *had* to be one or two - there is a trial going on now where it apparently happened in Iraq - the fact that the MSM is not touting this issue is evidence that the military is now keeping pretty close control over soldiers)
The truth is what I seek, and the people that know it are dying.
No. Just not evidence that you want to accept.
No one has ever said that American soldiers have done no wrong. That would be a denial of human nature.
Thank you for agreeing with me.
But that is a FAR cry from what you are doing here......
All I'm saying is that the military had an unwritten practice of taking no prisoners in the South Pacific. The fact is that there were very few prisoners taken. Lindbergh claims this was on purpose. The historical accounts say the japs refused to surrender, even to save their life in a hopeless cause. Maybe that was often true. Or maybe it was an exaggeration repeated by those with a guilty conscience.
Enough truth? Now that's telling.
It's also telling that you find fault with being proud to be an American, and being proud of our military and what they have done.
Your claims for finding 'truth' ring hollow, narby.
You expected to find WWII vets to tell of their atrocities by posting garbage about them on FR? Give me a break.
If you want 'truth'...........your version of it, that is..........then do your own research.
Go to nursing homes and assisted living places and grill the vets who sacrificed for your freedom and find out about their 'atrocities.'
And then if you find corroboration for your despicable claims, post them right here.
But until you have facts, cut it out.
Until then, shut up.
for later...
The right of expressing one's opionion is the First of the Bill of Rights. That you want me to shut up is ... interesting.
You ideas about how to conduct historical research are also ... interesting.
Thanks for that. If true, it puts the lie to the claim that the Nazis were worse or the Russians were worse, etc.
I've always been a bit doubtful that the Japanese weren't really that bad in comparison to Nazi Germany, knowing as I do how utterly cruel the Japs were and how utterly unconstrained by any sense of morality, but I didn't have the facts to back up my suspicions.
The war in Asia just didn't get the kind of coverage in America's press, or its history books, and so a lot of us have been ignorant of many things that went on in that war. I'm not saying the information wasn't there if you were willing to do a little digging, but it just seems it wasn't taught or emphasized in the American classroom quite like events in the European theater. Still, I have known about Unit 731 for many years.
History sucks, and that's all there is to it. The Japanese aren't unique in their bloodthirsty ways (former ways, if we're lucky). Modern arabs/muslims are worse, imo. If you were to present a button to each of the world's approximately 1.2 billion arabs and tell them that if they press the button then all Westerners in the world would be instantly incinerated, I think a HUGE percentage would gleefully push it. OTOH, few in the West would push it to get rid of arabs. I don't think many Japanese would push it today to get rid of westerners. They genuinely seem to have changed their spots. Nothing does that like a good a**kicking.
Just empty accusations.
btw, you're as poor an advocate for U.S. military atrocities as you are for Godless evolution.
Maybe you should give up on both efforts. ........unless you're so self absorbed that you just can't stop making a public spectacle of yourself.
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