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Strategies for a Bold Conservative Future
conservativesbetrayed.com ^ | March 1, 2007 | Richard A. Viguerie CPAC Speech

Posted on 03/02/2007 4:16:56 AM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: wagglebee

I erred on the low side

;-)


61 posted on 03/02/2007 6:21:45 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser

When the number was 1 it was too many!


62 posted on 03/02/2007 6:26:13 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Jim Robinson

The problem with this great sounding program is the old problem that Conservatives are working people and don't really have time for organizing all those groups. The activist left mostly don't have real jobs but rather leech from the rest of us by living on tax money and grant money or on University tenure and some are just shiftless or live directly on the support of the grant and tax organizations that hustle them around the country. Some live large by blackmailing corporations who are only too happy to give in and give out. Conservatives just naturally don't live the sort of lifestyle that is regarded as superior and an inalienable Right for the left.


63 posted on 03/02/2007 6:29:11 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: 8mmMauser
The latter never accepted Reagan, but he won anyway. It is not that different today. Same forces conflict today, just different names and ages.

Of course it's no different, but guys like Vigueri want to disavow themselves from the very people who elected Reagan to two terms. That to me sounds like he wants to disavow himself from Reagan's vision of America and become totally irrelevant.

If that's his vision of Conservatism, I want no part in it.

64 posted on 03/02/2007 6:30:04 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: tkathy

The Republican establishment has done that pretty well by itself.


65 posted on 03/02/2007 6:30:47 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Actually that is a pretty good description of how the Democrat Left operates but Conservatives just can't live that way. It is part of being conservative. We work for our livings and for the leftist lifestyle, too. We are the ones who buy the products that support the foundations and other grant-givers and pay the taxes that the government funnels into the pockets of the Left.


66 posted on 03/02/2007 6:34:03 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: arthurus

I don't buy that the problem with the conservative message not getting out is the fault of the republican party. The conservatives need to bring their message into the 21st century. Sadly enough, the 80s are over.


67 posted on 03/02/2007 6:37:46 AM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: NittanyLion

I agree with you on both accounts.


68 posted on 03/02/2007 6:44:02 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: Lurker; Jim Robinson

....and we really need to "draft" Newt to be our spokesperson. He's the only one I can think of who can state our case with a degree of tact and eloquence that has been missing for the last 6 years. Regardless of his "baggage" he is by far the best person to be the "voice" of Conservatism.


69 posted on 03/02/2007 6:48:33 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: tkathy
The conservatives need to bring their message into the 21st century

So now we need to eagerly embrace and promote abortion and homosexualism, right? and ditto the Mexican invasion? and maybe it's time to confiscate all the guns? and turn over dismantling of the economy to Algore? Maybe we should turn over the ME to Iran? Then we would be oh, so modern and 21st century! and confine that so old-fashioned Christian religion to the home and require soundproofing so it won't interfere with multicultural muezzins or offend polygamists.

70 posted on 03/02/2007 6:48:46 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Do the math.

I know the math. I was asking you to clarify what you were saying. Do you believe it is false to claim that more have died in the American abortion holocaust than died in the German holocaust of the Thirties and Forties?

71 posted on 03/02/2007 6:52:58 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Of course it's no different, but guys like Vigueri want to disavow themselves from the very people who elected Reagan to two terms. That to me sounds like he wants to disavow himself from Reagan's vision of America and become totally irrelevant.

If that's his vision of Conservatism, I want no part in it.

But Viguerie was around in Reagan's days, too, and to me he sounds pretty much the same. Reagan's vision for America may be redefined these days, but back then, it was what Americans wanted. I can find nothing conflicting with Reagan's vision in what Viguierie says now. If you can find something core and specific, I would be interested in knowing.

Your definition of "conservative" must differ from mine and from that of Ronald Reagan as far as that goes.

72 posted on 03/02/2007 6:56:22 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: arthurus; tkathy
The Republican establishment has done that pretty well by itself.

You can't blame the Republican party for Conservatives whining and complaining of being "left out", "threatened", and "bullied" by those "big bad guys in the Republican party".

If these "true conservatives" want to affect change within the GOP that they believe they are an appendage of, they'd do well to actually show up on election day and participate in the public square of debate instead of staying home and stewing, bawling, and crying.

Too many of them did that in California during it's special election, bragged about "staying home" to everyone on FR, and they wonder why the state lurched leftward since then.

I'm tired of listless individuals.

73 posted on 03/02/2007 6:57:07 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
If that's his vision of Conservatism, I want no part in it.

Your interactions with me on FR have been such that I have to believe that you disavow much of what many of us consider to be "the vision for Conservatism."

For example, you and your crowd have made a bloodsport out of attacking Alan Keyes, one of the few consistent visionary proponents of constitutionalism in America these days.

So, it is very difficult for me to take you seriously when you talk about your "evangelism" for conservatism as you've described on this thread.

74 posted on 03/02/2007 6:58:06 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Do you believe it is false to claim that more have died in the American abortion holocaust than died in the German holocaust of the Thirties and Forties?

You believe what you want, I believe the claim is true.

75 posted on 03/02/2007 6:59:43 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
If these "true conservatives" want to affect change within the GOP that they believe they are an appendage of, they'd do well to actually show up on election day and participate in the public square of debate instead of staying home and stewing, bawling, and crying.

Your bad attitude towards "true conservatives," as you call them, oozes out of every post. You can't help it.

Millions of conservatives worked their hearts out in the last election, and you smear them all. You, and too many of your friends on FR, continue to peddle the big lie that the loss of the Congress in the last election was the fault of conservatives, when nothing could be further from the truth.

76 posted on 03/02/2007 7:01:57 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Your interactions with me on FR have been such that I have to believe that you disavow much of what many of us consider to be "the vision for Conservatism."

Crying about not getting 100% of what you want in the shortest amount of time is not my idea of Conservatism. You want to wander aimlessly through the political desert another 40 years digging and looking at your navel, that's your business.

77 posted on 03/02/2007 7:02:31 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
You believe what you want, I believe the claim is true.

That's not what it sounded like in your original post. That's why I asked you to clarify. It sounded as if you were mocking those who compare the two holocausts.

78 posted on 03/02/2007 7:03:10 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Your bad attitude towards "true conservatives," as you call them, oozes out of every post. You can't help it.

You just have a hard time accepting reality.

79 posted on 03/02/2007 7:03:31 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Crying about not getting 100% of what you want in the shortest amount of time is not my idea of Conservatism. You want to wander aimlessly through the political desert another 40 years digging and looking at your navel, that's your business.

You're the only one I see here "crying" about anything. "It's all the fault of those nasty 'true conservatives'!"

80 posted on 03/02/2007 7:04:30 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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