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Strategies for a Bold Conservative Future
conservativesbetrayed.com ^ | March 1, 2007 | Richard A. Viguerie CPAC Speech

Posted on 03/02/2007 4:16:56 AM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: Blackirish; FreeInWV; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; B Knotts; dirtboy

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41 posted on 03/02/2007 5:50:15 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: unsycophant
They lost because they stayed home. These RINO's are people too. It won't do much good turning away otherwise persuadable individuals.

For example. My folks at one time would have been defined by their own beliefs as "RINO's", through plenty of persuasion on my part, I've managed to maintain a mutual loving relationship with my parents, and at the same time, affected change within their own hearts and minds. In the left winged media's eye, they now would be considered right-winged radicals just like me. They are a lost cause to the ideals of modern day liberalism.

I've got plenty of other stories like that. I'm affecting people in my local community, one heart and one mind at a time. It's a lot of work, but it's satisfying work. I'm young enough that I have plenty of years of the same work ahead of me.

These right wing pundits sitting behind DC walls and high atop castle towers wringing hands and crying because they can't get 100% of what they want all of the time can go pound sand as far as I am concerned.

42 posted on 03/02/2007 5:51:43 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: sauropod; Jim Robinson
Be encouraged.

It was tough back then, too, with Lyn Nofziger and allies surrounded by RINO naysayers very similar to the compromise crowd with us today. But the conservatives prevailed, sometimes to our own amazement, rediscovering the quiet America lovers who in great numbers were behind us after all. What it took is staying with core principles. In the days leading up to mid October 1980, it looked grim indeed, but Ronald Reagan prevailed to the shock and horror of not just the left, but the compromising RINOs of the day.

May we avoid the surgery of RINOplasty just to look good and stick to our core values. The noses we were born with are just fine.

8mm
43 posted on 03/02/2007 5:55:11 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

It's called perspective. That's no different than demystifying the left winged myth that Iraq is a huge failure based upon the numbers, when in fact, more American's are killed every day in highway deaths than all the years we've been in Iraq, or saying more babies have been aborted in the years since Roe v. Wade was put into place than all the years of Hitler's maniacal extermination of Jews.


44 posted on 03/02/2007 5:59:40 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: 8mmMauser

The demographics have changed vastly since 1980, and the horrible Carter is no longer president.


45 posted on 03/02/2007 6:01:35 AM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim said: "Well, we have, er, thought we had, our little group of conservatives here."

Yes, it's true; there are some FReepers who are conservative, and somewhat educated, but from my experience over the last few years, they are in the minority, even on Free Republic.

Consider the typical reaction whenever the truth sufaces around here: A whole lot of flaming vitriol ensues.

Good luck with any attempt to educate the FReepers, as they seem to be getting their main talking points from the RNC.

46 posted on 03/02/2007 6:02:35 AM PST by Designer II
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To: Jim Robinson

I have said it once and i'll say it again it JimRob 08!!!!


47 posted on 03/02/2007 6:04:09 AM PST by StoneWall Brigade (Charge'em Both Ways)
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To: tkathy

The basic principles are timeless.


48 posted on 03/02/2007 6:04:23 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
or saying more babies have been aborted in the years since Roe v. Wade was put into place than all the years of Hitler's maniacal extermination of Jews.

Clarify, please. "More babies have been aborted in the years since Roe v. Wade was put into place than all the years of Hitler's maniacal extermination of Jews."

49 posted on 03/02/2007 6:08:54 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Liberalism": Now in two delicious Party Flavors!)
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To: 8mmMauser; tkathy
The basic principles are timeless.

That they are. But the message of Reagan is lost on so many.

Too many want to wash their hands of the very same people who elected Reagan to two terms, whether it be Rockerfeller Republicans or RINO's.

My philosophy is that you can't build up what your hellbent on tearing down.

Vigueri complained that Conservatives are being bullied by the GOP. Well, who's fault is that? It's not the GOP's fault that Conservatives are allowing themselves to be bullied.

50 posted on 03/02/2007 6:12:22 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
It's called perspective. That's no different than demystifying the left winged myth that...

Perspective?

War? Invasion? Borders?

What mythical world are you living in?

More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says


51 posted on 03/02/2007 6:13:35 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Clarify, please.

Do the math.

52 posted on 03/02/2007 6:13:45 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Perspective?

Yes, or did you not read the article?

53 posted on 03/02/2007 6:14:55 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: EternalVigilance
Good morning, EV. Yes, it is quite a few!

48,589,993

8mm

54 posted on 03/02/2007 6:15:05 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Jim Robinson
Hello all...

Its been a loooong time since Ive posted here. Oh, I still stop by from time to time to see whats going on in the world, But really nothing more than that. Its not that Ive become disillusioned with FR (I have not), Its more that I have become disillusioned with the citizens of this country and the republican party.

We really only have a single ideology government any more. There may be a guy here or a gal there who believes in "rugged individualism" and limited government but they are nothing more than the impurities of the collectivist whole. It doesn't matter which party you vote for you are getting the same collectivist product with a different brand name.

The war really doesn't even matter to me any more. What are we fighting for? What are we defending? It certainly isnt the ideals the country was founded on. We certainly are not defending the ideals explained in the declaration of independence and the constitution. We are defending a bloated collectivist government and society that I have come to despise. War... Not inherently good or evil. It depends greatly on why and what for. I simply don't believe that what I loved about this country exists any longer. I truly believe that the pointy tip of the military would be better used if it were pointed at the collectivist institutions of THIS country.

Ive given up... The political fight is over. We are surrounded and out gunned. The "allies" we supported turned out to be the enemy we were fighting. Our political message is drowned by the torrent of collectivist propaganda that inundates every minute of TV, radio, news, etc... There can be no victory in the current political battlefield. None... All we can do is slow the progression.

Sooo... Ive drawn into my family and friends. Im doing my best to forget the fact I'm a slave to the collective. Im trying to just live my life the way I want to. and I'm waiting... for the real fight to start. If it ever does...
55 posted on 03/02/2007 6:18:14 AM PST by myself6 (Nazi = socialist , democrat=socialist , therefore democrat = Nazi)
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To: 8mmMauser; EternalVigilance

The number 48,589,993 is only through the end of 2004. We are, unfortunately, OVER 50 MILLION now. And this number far surpasses the genocide of Hitler and Stalin COMBINED.


56 posted on 03/02/2007 6:18:19 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

"He says the high number of Americans being killed by illegal aliens is just part of the collateral damage that comes with tolerating illegal immigration."


57 posted on 03/02/2007 6:18:25 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Too many want to wash their hands of the very same people who elected Reagan to two terms, whether it be Rockerfeller Republicans or RINO's.

True conservatives stuck to principles and prevailed and were surrounded by the compromisers, the RINO's and the Rockefeller Republicans. The latter never accepted Reagan, but he won anyway. It is not that different today. Same forces conflict today, just different names and ages.

58 posted on 03/02/2007 6:20:11 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim also said: "..or we can get behind a conservative.."

Some of us tried that here in Iowa a few years ago, and were "rewarded" with our efforts when the Iowa Republicans nominated "liberal lite" Greg Gansky to run against Tom Harkin instead. Outcome was predicted.

Designer has worked hard for the Republicans; County level Central committee, platform committee, yard signs, poll watcher, writing checks, etc., and came to the realization that most don't seem to care much.

(example) Central committee has a self-proclaimed liberal, and nobody wants to kick her out.

(another example) Platform committee chairman dismissed Designer's suggestion, so Designer put the issue before the County convention for a vote, and it passed easily.

(another example) Above-mentioned platform plank was removed at District level. (Designer could not attend)

(another example) State convention returned the same people to National without a scintilla of objection from the delegates. (except me)

59 posted on 03/02/2007 6:20:40 AM PST by Designer II
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Right, like I said, "perspective". It's tantamount to turning a blind eye toward abortion.


60 posted on 03/02/2007 6:21:10 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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