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US generals ‘will quit’ if Bush orders Iran attack
The Sunday Times (U.K.) ^ | 02/25/07 | Michael Smith and Sarah Baxter

Posted on 02/24/2007 4:37:37 PM PST by Pokey78

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To: jude24
This country cannot afford a third war to satisfy the neo-conservative delusions of American hegemony.

And it won't have it either. Contrary to the 'hoo-rah' gang, the financial leaders and markets (the ones who hold the real power) have had enough. And it is also becomingly evidently clear that more within the administration and those surrounding it while not speaking publicly are voicing their opinion (a correct one loud and clear). Cheney and Bush can rant all they want and get the shrinking war support base whipped into a frenzy but make no mistake. There will be a diplomatic solution to this.

101 posted on 02/24/2007 6:08:59 PM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Obie Wan

AMEN!!!


102 posted on 02/24/2007 6:11:03 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: jude24; xzins; blue-duncan; OrthodoxPresbyterian; Gamecock
This country cannot afford a third war to satisfy the neo-conservative delusions of American hegemony.

We'll be praying for you, jude.

103 posted on 02/24/2007 6:11:29 PM PST by P-Marlowe (What happened to my tagline?)
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To: jude24; P-Marlowe

As I've repeatedly pointed out, we are not fighting 2 wars, we are fighting one war, the war on terrorism, and Iran would simply be the 3rd front in that one war.

The US could easily defeat the Iranians in ground combat. The only issue would be what we'd want to do with that nation. Hopefully, we'd just leave after we destroyed their nuke capability. (The Iranians couldn't defeat the Iraqis in 10 years. We defeated the Iraqis twice in a total of about 3 weeks.)

Any idea that generals would quit is idiotic. Generals won't quit. That's just ignorant.


104 posted on 02/24/2007 6:11:47 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Pokey78

Wow....these little green (gray) guys really called it spot on.....a year ago! March 17th....2006 !

"The likely outcome is that the US will threaten and bluster, plant evidence against Iran that the US citizen and the world does not believe, rumble tanks and planes up to the border of Iran, and there the conflict stops. There will certainly be tense moments behind closed doors when the military is asked to take steps they refuse to take.............."


http://www.zetatalk.com/index/zeta268.htm


105 posted on 02/24/2007 6:14:24 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: SAMS

How much do you want to bet that those people you describe have literary agents or similar advisors who are helping those generals jockey to the CNN talking head posts.

I think some of those officers have a Lady McBeth at home. (or a Hitlary Clinton)


106 posted on 02/24/2007 6:15:21 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SAMS

How much do you want to bet that those people you describe have literary agents or similar advisors who are helping those generals jockey to the CNN talking head posts.

I think some of those officers have a Lady McBeth at home. (or a Hitlary Clinton)


107 posted on 02/24/2007 6:16:48 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: xzins
Hopefully, we'd just leave after we destroyed their nuke capability.

Are you nuts? The last thing we need is another failed Middle Eastern state. That'd make things even worse.

108 posted on 02/24/2007 6:17:08 PM PST by jude24
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The stupidity on this thread saddens me.

Is their anyone lucid enough to understand that Generals made these statements.....probably on direct orders from CinC?

Or are memories so damaged as to leave no understanding of what it is to squeeze an enemy?

Under all these conflicting messages, Iran remains under TREMENDOUS pressure. One slip, one mistake, and we will bomb them back to the stone age. While avoiding mistake causes Iranian leadership to look weak, like a little bitch complaining about the bullying they are getting from the big bad USofA.

Of course these statements were made, and I wish someone on this forum understood the tactics of a psychological war.

It might also be known that while we may not have many available troops, we have more than enough bombs to turn the country of Iran into a smoking hole.

What is wrong with you people?

Dont answer, and I wont stick around to read it. Just grow up, dammit.

109 posted on 02/24/2007 6:18:47 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: billbears
Cheney and Bush can rant all they want and get the shrinking war support base whipped into a frenzy but make no mistake. There will be a diplomatic solution to this.

I hope and pray you are correct. Unfortunately, the President has a lot of power to direct troops where he likes. Congress can do little more than jerk funding.

110 posted on 02/24/2007 6:18:56 PM PST by jude24
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Gamecock; OrthodoxPresbyterian
We'll be praying for you, jude.

'Preciate it.

111 posted on 02/24/2007 6:20:22 PM PST by jude24
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To: jude24

No it wouldn't. There is a fairly healthy, educated, respected opposition in Iran. We don't need to stay.

We break their nuke capability and leave. That's all we need to do.

And this silliness about generals....what'd it say, four or five....those guys are not quitting. They've lived their whole lives for such a time as this to make a difference.


112 posted on 02/24/2007 6:21:03 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Republic Rocker

and what does that mean?


113 posted on 02/24/2007 6:22:08 PM PST by restornu (They were not out of tune with what he was saying, it’s because they were out tune with the Spirit !)
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To: Pukin Dog

Sheeeesh, ya try to interject a little martian humour into a thread and someone like you comes along with a hair across their azz and spoils everything.


lighten up.


114 posted on 02/24/2007 6:22:13 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Jim Robinson

>>Enemy propaganda.<<

Do you thin is originating in the U.K or is it coming from the U.S. but planted in a U.K paper?

I'm thinking that if its British in origin then it may be mainly about justifying to the population the apparent decisions for the Brits to not help in Iran.

But if its coming from either American Generals themselves or opponents of President Bush using the military and the foreign press to do it then they are really undermining the President's ability to apply leverage on Iran. They may wind up causing the war they claim they oppose.

The mullahs are not gonna turn into nice guys - the only hope to not have military confrontation is for Iran to believe that we will fight and that they need to avoid a war with us and that it would go very badly for them.

If this turns out to be Americans undermining that effort then they deserve exposure and (at a minimum) disgrace.


115 posted on 02/24/2007 6:24:04 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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To: jude24; P-Marlowe

If the President wants, he has all the authorization he needs in the Sep 18 Resolution. As you see how it was applied in the Iraq Resolution, it is clear that it was broadly interpreted. There would be no legal basis against this President if he used the Sep 18 Resolution.

Now, could he prove Al Qaeda or particular person ties to Iran?

I think it would be fairly simple. I'll also bet they've been putting that case together for better than 4 years now. Iran, not Iraq, has long been considered the leading supporter of International terrorism.

Did you read the resolutions I posted?


116 posted on 02/24/2007 6:26:01 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Pokey78

Good thinking on their part. Then, when the Iranian a-holes attack us here and around the world with nuclear weapons, they can say,"Gee, guess maybe we should have hit them first, huh????" Very brave of these moron generals. I still advocate unilateral pre-emptive nuclear strikes now against Iran, Syria, and North Korea. Of course, everytime I express this personal opinion the Admin. Mod deletes the post. Oh well!


117 posted on 02/24/2007 6:26:09 PM PST by Doc Savage ("You couldn't tame me, but you taught me.................")
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To: xzins
There is a fairly healthy, educated, respected opposition in Iran.

There was one in Iraq too. That didn't stop Iraq from degenerating into sectarian chaos. It only takes a small, dedicated minority to turn a struggling state into a failed state. Without a massive occupying force - one much larger than the shoestring one we tried in Iraq - Iran would be doomed to become like Iraq.

The problem is that, because of Iraq, America has become a paper tiger. Without a massive ramp-up of military strength (i.e., drafts and rationing), we could not fight a third war. Nor could our country, our economy, or even our military function without access to Saudi and Kuwaiti oil - sources which would be shut off to us in any serious altercation with Iran.

Right now, we're stuck between Iraq and a hard place. There's not much we can do to Iran beyond diplomatic pressure.

118 posted on 02/24/2007 6:26:32 PM PST by jude24
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To: xzins
If the President wants, he has all the authorization he needs in the Sep 18 Resolution. As you see how it was applied in the Iraq Resolution, it is clear that it was broadly interpreted. There would be no legal basis against this President if he used the Sep 18 Resolution.

If Bush tries that, the 9/18 resolution will be repealed. Those moves are already afoot.

Plus, he would have no legal basis under the UN Charter to invade. We can't just invade another country's territory without the UN's authorization.

119 posted on 02/24/2007 6:28:44 PM PST by jude24
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To: Pokey78

No retirement either.


120 posted on 02/24/2007 6:30:39 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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