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Food fight over pesos for pizza (more details on Pizza Patron, NAFTA)
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | January 17, 2007 | Ruben Navarrette Jr., San Diego Union-Tribune

Posted on 02/23/2007 3:55:25 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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This was a trial balloon to see how we'd react.
1 posted on 02/23/2007 3:55:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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... what drives so much of the debate over illegal immigration [is] cultural displacement, or what the U.S. commerce secretary [Carlos Gutierrez] terms "xenophobic nationalism."

I guess only a xenophobic nationalist would get all riled up up over something as trivial as cultural displacement.

2 posted on 02/23/2007 4:43:32 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So they are getting death threats for serving their clientel? For being honest capitalists, trying to serve a quality product?

A lot of places in the world accept the Dollar. If THEY CHOOSE to accept the Peso, what's the diff?

If someone wants to boycott them for doing something legal (that has little or no effect on illegal immigration, as most illegals are paid in dollars) and convenient to people, that's their business. While they are at it, maybe they should boycott places that take Canadian Dollars and the Euro!

But making DEATH THREATS? For crying out loud! THAT is sick!


3 posted on 02/23/2007 4:47:22 PM PST by TheTruthAintPretty (G-d Bless our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, fathers and mothers in harm's way!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think we should pay all our welfare recipients in pesos. That way, they will be encouraged to all go down to Mexico to spend them.


4 posted on 02/23/2007 4:50:47 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I'm 26 days from outliving Steve Irwin)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

I've got to agree there. Pesos or peanut butter cups for pizza, it makes no difference. If the seller is willing to accept bill clinton's used underwear, it doesn't affect my commerce at al.


5 posted on 02/23/2007 4:52:45 PM PST by Nomorjer Kinov (If the opposite of "pro" is "con" , what is the opposite of progress?)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

I'm sorry for all that have no qualms about this. Can I assume that you all have public high school diplomas?


6 posted on 02/23/2007 5:05:36 PM PST by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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Well, perhaps you can describe what problem you have meddling in another's commerce. Use all the prep school intellect you can muster.


7 posted on 02/23/2007 5:15:26 PM PST by Nomorjer Kinov (If the opposite of "pro" is "con" , what is the opposite of progress?)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

Doesn't affect your commerce at all.
It depends on where you live.
What happens if most of the border towns started accepting only pesos because they are so close to the border why not make it easier for illegals?
Americans in their own country would then have to convert their currency for use in the US.
Then the only language spoken is Spanish because it is easier for the Mexicans.
Next thing is the border disappears because it is easier for the Mexicans.
It can't happen here you say. Well it is happenning. Just slowly.


8 posted on 02/23/2007 5:39:38 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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Wow...what an elitist!

I'm sorry for all that have no qualms about this. Can I assume that you all have public high school diplomas?

Me, personally, no. I have a GED. Quit a school full of disruptive morons to serve in the Navy as an Electronics Technician. Got tired of skipping school and going to the library in order to learn anything.

In the Navy, I took shipboard college classes (PACE). Got out, studied business machine repair, and in the mid 90s became a Certified Netware Engineer. So, yes, I'm a blue collar, not a blue blood.

So, how do we protect ourselves from the angry swarms of Pesos? Do we pass a law prohibiting merchants from accepting anything but U.S. Dollars?

The Gov't, as much as possible, needs to stay out of our bedrooms, boardrooms, bookshelves, and bankbooks.

9 posted on 02/23/2007 5:59:18 PM PST by TheTruthAintPretty (G-d Bless our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, fathers and mothers in harm's way!)
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To: smoketree
The pizza shop owner is not mandating payment in pesos, he is accepting them. Would you forbid him from accepting gold ingots or rubys if he so chose? There is no requirement that a private business contracts in US cash.

...all United States money ... are a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor. There is, however, no Federal statute mandating that a private business, a person or an organization must accept currency or coins as for payment for goods and/or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether or not to accept cash unless there is a State law which says otherwise. For example, a bus line may prohibit payment of fares in pennies or dollar bills. In addition, movie theaters, convenience stores and gas stations may refuse to accept large denomination currency (usually notes above $20) as a matter of policy.

The above is from the US Treasury.

10 posted on 02/23/2007 5:59:48 PM PST by Nomorjer Kinov (If the opposite of "pro" is "con" , what is the opposite of progress?)
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To: Nomorjer Kinov

Yeah now.
Go back and read what I said.
Areas of So Cal are almost all Spanish now.
It's a slow creep but a creep none the less.

Would you name your child Keepjer?


11 posted on 02/23/2007 6:05:07 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: smoketree
If such a scenario as you describe were to come to pass, the businesses would still have to convert their pesos into dollars to buy supplies. It is not likely that distributors not located in border towns will be willing to conduct business in a vacillating currency.

The gas wholesalers will likely want dollars. The garment wholesalers will likely want dollars. Food distributors will likely want dollars. The phone bills and power invoices will still be itemized in dollars. All who accept pesos will run the risk of their currency devaluing before redemption.

And then there is the conversion costs the banks are probably going to want to assess in order to settle deposits and accounts. If I visit a place I consider inhospitable, I don't go back. If such a town exists that has become inhospitable to native Americans, it is likely to receive less commerce from them into the future. And it will become further rundown.

And to your inquiry about my progeny, prolly not.

12 posted on 02/23/2007 6:26:08 PM PST by Nomorjer Kinov (If the opposite of "pro" is "con" , what is the opposite of progress?)
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Your points are moot if the areas start getting much more business in pesos.
It would be a magnet for illegals and others who want to take back the southwest.
They're pretty resourceful people and will easily find ways around your points if they could "own" their own areas of the US.
I gurantee that there would be suppliers that would gladly accept pesos in order to get more business.
Look at all the hardships they go through just getting here.


13 posted on 02/23/2007 6:38:16 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is still in the news? Forget the WOT, America has.
What currencies a private company wishes to accept in addition to American is uninteresting and unworthy of the xenophobia it has kicked up.


14 posted on 02/23/2007 6:38:49 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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You must not live in the southwest.


15 posted on 02/23/2007 6:49:21 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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Areas of So Cal are almost all Spanish now.

Just like they were 200 years ago!

The more you try to prohibit something, the more you (a) make it sexy and cool, and (b) spend of your resources trying to enforce the prohibition.

I'm not defending illegal immigration. Neither are a lot of Mexican-Americans (most of whom are loyal, law-abiding, hard-working citizens).

What we need to do to protect and promote the POSITIVE parts of our culture. Maintain a strong border, but don't spend a lot of time and energy fighting a Hispanic culture that has been there even longer than our own.

16 posted on 02/23/2007 6:51:03 PM PST by TheTruthAintPretty (G-d Bless our brothers and sisters, sons and daughters, fathers and mothers in harm's way!)
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To: smoketree

Born in Albuquerque, raised in Amarillo, called Dallas home for years.


17 posted on 02/23/2007 6:55:35 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: TheTruthAintPretty

We most certainly did not have predominantly Mexican areas 200 years ago. A few settlements but whole cities and cultures? You'll have to source that. That means they all left then started coming back in the last 30 years or so after we built the areas up.

You are totally defending illegal immigration by your comment that they were here first and had their culture here first.

I don't know where you live but here a lot of them don't want out culture no matter how we promote it. They want their culture and what they consider their land back and don't respect our illegitimate control of their land.
They come up here in droves without any concern for our laws other than not getting caught.


18 posted on 02/23/2007 7:03:14 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: gcruse

I've been in LA for the last 35 years and have watched area after area go completely Spanish and third world looking. Almost all stores are Mexican and the areas are spreading every year.


19 posted on 02/23/2007 7:08:07 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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Thing is, as long as they accept US currency, who cares what else they accept?


20 posted on 02/23/2007 7:20:23 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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