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The Sun Sets in the West (Buchanan alert)
Townhall.com ^ | 2/23/07 | Patsy Buchanan

Posted on 02/23/2007 1:29:08 PM PST by pissant

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To: pissant
The White House says the British pullout is an affirmation of our partnership, but the Brits could have sent those 1,600 to Baghdad or Anbar. They did not.

We swapped jobs with the British a while ago because we were better equipped to handle the hot spots, and the coordination needed to mix troops wasn't worth the effort.

21 posted on 02/23/2007 2:16:09 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: pissant

For the most part, Pat's been right all along. Except here he fails to stress also kicking the UN out of NYC.


22 posted on 02/23/2007 2:17:21 PM PST by duckln
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To: duckln

Only if you are a defeatist or a pcifist.


23 posted on 02/23/2007 2:18:26 PM PST by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: pissant

With the exception of the Brits and a few others who have sent token forces, the euro peons are a joke. They go where the fighting is minimal and if they take a couple of casualties its "Hit The Road Jack". Been ticked off at the euro peons for some time and glad some others feel the same way.


24 posted on 02/23/2007 2:22:42 PM PST by Plateau
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To: pissant
Only the Americans are going deeper in. Aussies excepted, the "coalition of the willing" is no longer willing.

Crank till you throw a piston, pissant: there's no disputing this point.

25 posted on 02/23/2007 2:24:23 PM PST by Map Kernow ("I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just..." ---Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Plateau

I hope this does not happen. Can you imagine the entire Europe area Muslim. Now we would have Middle East, Europe, some African countries and some Asian countries and we would have to defend ourselves from all of them??? Do you really want that? I am not saying we could not win, but is that really necessary just because some are not liking Europe right now. I am stationed here and the people here appreciate our being here.


26 posted on 02/23/2007 2:26:48 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: pissant
For starters, he give no credit to the countries that have already extended deployments in the past, or have recently sent troops or extended deployments. Those include more countries than the ones that are drawing down, including such stalwarts as the Aussies and the Poles.

He did mention the Aussies, actually, but they're by far the minority, as far as holding firm.

He ignored what Tony blair said about the drawdown, that they have achieved stability in the area and can start drawing down.

He gives short shrift to the stellar work NATO has been doing in Afghanistan. Didn't bother to mention that the Poles are sending in elite forces there now to FIGHT. Doesn't mention that UAE has forces in Afghanistan, or that Jordan is continuing to train Iraqi police and security.

Stellar? I have friends in Afghanistan. The situation is not stellar, and NATO is not stellar. Some, like the Poles, are exceptionally good. Again, they're in the minority.

Doesn't mention that the eastern euros have stood and continue to stand with us. Or that we are going to put anti missile batteries and bases there.

Well, if al-Qa'ida ever gets an ICBM, then that will help. Otherwise, those bases are to cow the Russians, and the Eastern Euros are acting in their own self interest.

He prattles on about this BS about America being an empire.

He has in the past, to great and idiotic extent. Not seeing it here, except in a non-attributed quote.

And he give no hint on the importance of the mission, and has defeating terrorists.

So if he had started out by saying "It's a shame, given the importance of the mission, that our allies are jumping ship left and right.", you'd be more comfortable with his points, otherwise?

27 posted on 02/23/2007 2:32:42 PM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: Elpasser

I agree with you and Pat 100%.


28 posted on 02/23/2007 2:32:50 PM PST by moondoggie
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To: napscoordinator

With all due respect, having bases in Europe doesn't seem to have stopped the flood of Muslims into Europe. Before I say anything else, thank you for your service! I am sure there are some people in Europe who detest the thought of an Islamic Europe but, like here, the politicians do not do the will of the people (ie Illegal Immigration). What are the Europeans saying about Kosovo now?


29 posted on 02/23/2007 2:33:14 PM PST by Plateau
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Shut up, Pat:

More UK soldiers for Afghanistan

Someone ought to publicly humiliate the blighter for the idiocy he's spouting.

Ivan

30 posted on 02/23/2007 2:35:01 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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OK. Let's focus on this part of the comments.

--The White House says the British pullout is an affirmation of our partnership, but the Brits could have sent those 1,600 to Baghdad or Anbar. They did not--

31 posted on 02/23/2007 2:40:47 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Map Kernow
Except Pat is completely forgetting our Eastern European Allies who continue to send what they are able and, in the case of Poland, adding to their forces in Afghanistan and Iraq; of course they don't count because they're not Germany, France, or Italy.
32 posted on 02/23/2007 2:42:04 PM PST by Namyak (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: Plateau

They don't mention Kosovo. I just wish that Europe didn't have these idiots in their governments. I think to be honest with you is what makes Europe look bad and of course allow policies that make it nice for muslims. I definitely think that is ashame. I just see the people who work really hard at trying to make a living...would most likely be conservative Republicans in the United States IMHO. I will admit to you that I am stationed in Sicily which is definitely pro-American. I would put them in the same level as Upper New York State, Southern Virginia, or panhandle of Florida, but they are stuck with "Italy" as their government. Thank you for the nice words on my service. I really love it and will look forward to getting to Iraq (not exactly sure when I am going...truth!) and kick some major buttocks (would use other words but I am being nice today. lol).


33 posted on 02/23/2007 2:43:57 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Namyak

I think it is pretty obvious that eastern europe wants us much more badly than western europe. I forsee some shifting alliances in the not-so-distant future.


34 posted on 02/23/2007 2:45:09 PM PST by Plateau
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I didn't know that the Italian government was so far gone until I read about Prodi's resignation! I didn't know you could move any further to the left! I think many European countries made a fatal error when they chose "cradle to grave" socialism. I think some of the governments are just plain broke. The don't have the money to send troops and they cover up by saying that America is Bad. It is hard to stop a landslide (socialism) when it starts and it is hard to stop a bureauacracy that is entrenched.


35 posted on 02/23/2007 2:56:57 PM PST by Plateau
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Very true. Eastern Europe actually appreciates what the US did for them during the Cold War; after all, it was Poland and the rest that suffered under the Soviet yoke. Eastern Europe appreciates the cost of freedom and is willing to fight to bring it to others, while much of Western Europe has taken their freedom for granted and values it too little. I see Western Europe continuing to fall into diplomatic irrelevancy as new alliances between the Anglo-sphere countries and Eastern Europe are formed and nurtured.
36 posted on 02/23/2007 3:02:03 PM PST by Namyak (Oderint dum metuant)
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You are so right on every point. We saw what happened in France when they tried to take some security in jobs to a bunch of young kids. They went nuts. lol. I hope our country does not get that bad. You should see how much vacation time they receive. They don't work from 1-4 everyday because of "siesta" time. It is really a good deal if you have a job.....and that is a big if. It would never work for the U.S. Can you imagine everything closing from 1-4???? Americans would have a corinary. lol. There work hours are from 9-1 and 4-8. They can't work over 40 hours and if there is a holiday, they automatically get the next day off for rest day. Maternity leave is six months. Vacation time is six weeks a year. That is one area where I wish America would do is give a bit more vacation time. But other than that I don't think anything else would work for us.


37 posted on 02/23/2007 3:04:02 PM PST by napscoordinator
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Can you imagine the entire Europe area Muslim

That will be an issue settled by European immigration laws and demographics, not NATO or the United Nations.
38 posted on 02/23/2007 4:59:42 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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Good grief, they're going home because the damn war is over. We won.


39 posted on 03/03/2007 6:57:56 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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