SANDY'S SECRETS: THE TWA 800 COVER-UP AND 9/11

AIM ORG ^ | February 21, 2007 | Jack Cashill

[patton]

Max AA for the DsHKM is 8,400 ft.

[Dante3]

Something smells.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Great catch,,,I Agree...

[bmwcyle]

Good list.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

9K38 Igla
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Igla
Igla
Basic data
Function short-range anti-air missile
Manufacturer KBM
Unit cost USD 60,000 - 80,000 (as of 2003)
Entered service 1990s
General characteristics
Engine solid rocket motor
Launch mass 11 kg
Length 1.7 m
Diameter 72 mm
Speed 700 m/s, about Mach 2
Range 5.2 km
Service ceiling 3.5 km
Warhead 2 kg with 390 g explosive
Guidance two color infrared
Fuzes contact and grazing fuzes
Comparison chart to other MANPADS
Weapon 9K36 Strela-3 9K38 Igla 9K310 Igla-1 FIM-92A Stinger
Service entry 1974 1983 1981 1982
Weight,
full system,
ready to shoot 17.0 kg
(37.5 lb) 17.9 kg
(39.5 lb) 17.9 kg
(39.5 lb) 14.3 kg
(31.5 lb)
Weight, missile 10.3 kg
(22.7 lb) 10.8 kg
(23.8 lb) 10.8 kg
(23.8 lb) 10.1 kg
(22.3 lb)
Weight, warhead 2 kg (4.4 lb),
390 g (13.75 oz) TNT 2 kg (4.4 lb),
390 g (13.75 oz) TNT 2 kg (4.4 lb),
390 g (13.75 oz) TNT 2 to 3 kg (4 to 6 lb),
450 g (15.9 oz) HE
Warhead type Directed-energy
blast fragmentation Directed-energy
blast fragmentation Directed-energy
blast fragmentation Annular blast fragmentation
Fuze type Impact and grazing fuze. Delayed impact,
magnetic and grazing. Delayed impact,
magnetic and grazing. Delayed impact.
Flight speed, average / peak 470 m/s (1050 mph) sustained 600 m/s (1350 mph) sustained 600 m/s (1350 mph)
/ 800 m/s (1800 mph) 700 m/s (1500 mph)
/ 750 m/s (1700 mph)
Maximum range 4100 m
(13,500 ft) 5200 m
(17,000 ft) 5000 m
(16,400 ft) 4500 to 4800 m
(14,800 to 15,700 ft)
Maximum target speed, receding 260 m/s (580 mph) 360 m/s (805 mph) 360 m/s (805 mph) ?
Maximum target speed, approaching 310 m/s (690 mph) 320 m/s (715 mph) 320 m/s (715 mph) ?
Seeker head type Nitrogen-cooled,
lead sulfide (PbS) Nitrogen-cooled,
Indium antimonide (InSb)
and
uncooled lead sulfide (PbS) Nitrogen-cooled,
Indium antimonide (InSb) Argon-cooled,
Indium antimonide (InSb)
Seeker scanning FM-modulated FM-modulated FM-modulated FM-modulated
Seeker notes Aerospike to reduce
supersonic wave drag Tripod-mounted nosecone
to reduce supersonic wave drag
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IMHO~~~Qods forces from Iran using one of these would "fit the mold",,,Motive,,,US Navy shooting down the Airbus over
the Gulf,,,

Qods has been proven to be in Iraq,,,(Karballa)

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

The chart is easier to read at this link...

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu.9xx91FaWgAc7hXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE3aG52NjNuBGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANNMDAxXzExNQ--/SIG=11tde4r2g/EXP=1172248817/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-16_Gimlet

[Robert A Cook PE]

So 14,000 - 16,000 is in range of all; 18,000 ft a little above (advertised) range.

And we all know that "advertised" ranges for missiles are exact, specific-to-the-foot absolutely-perfect ranges.

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

So why didn't Bush clean house? He could do it, if he wanted.

[Dante3]

bttt

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

TANKS,,,still lookin' for the rest...

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Warhead type Directed-energy
blast fragmentation Directed-energy
blast fragmentation Directed-energy
blast fragmentation Annular blast fragmentation
Fuze type Impact and grazing fuze. Delayed impact,
magnetic and grazing. Delayed impact,
magnetic and grazing. Delayed impact.
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These are of interest,,,instead of hitting the hot
tail-pipe,,,these will hit the body of the body of the aircraft at the last moment,,,

As for their range,,,at some point the missile will
"fail-safe"(burst),,,if the target starts to pull away,,,
How far would it "glide"?
When this happened,,,It was all over MSM that it was
"Much to High for a missile",,,
There was also argument about "just how high" the aircraft was,,,pure BS...

[Robert A Cook PE]

That's what I mean by "advertised" elevation/ranges.

Hint: If the enemy has a 15,000 ft range missile, don't go flying above him at 15,100 ft and think you're safe.

The idiot shooting at you might not have read the manual as carefully as you did, and shoot anyway.

Warheads and propellants have "some" reserve in them anyway, and all rounds have a +/- error based on different propellant weights, temperature of the propellant, humidity of the air, drag, altitude, how much propellant was loaded, etc. so even a perfect round might go a bit longer than expected in the advertisement.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia

Russian and former Soviet surface-to-air missiles
The SA designation sequence:
SA-1 Guild | SA-2 Guideline | SA-3 Goa | SA-N-3 Goblet | SA-4 Ganef | SA-5 Gammon | SA-6 Gainful | SA-7 Grail | SA-8 Gecko | SA-9 Gaskin | SA-10 Grumble | SA-11 Gadfly | SA-12 Gladiator\Giant | SA-13 Gopher | SA-14 Gremlin | SA-15 Gauntlet | SA-16 Gimlet | SA-17 Grizzly | SA-18 Grouse | SA-19 Grisom | SA-20 Gargoyle | SA-21 Growler | SA-22 ? | SA-23 ? | SA-24 ? |

List of Russian and former Soviet missiles
Missiles
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Who got what ?,,,I can't find where iran was "sold" the
Igla,,,by russia,,,Bet "Abdul's"Gun~Show has plenty,,,
I'm sure Qods would never shop there though,,,they only
shop at "Factory Outlet",,,they have the paper-work
to prove they ain't got that kind !!!
Does that slide~rule~thingie fi`ger' "Kan'tucy Windage ??"
LOL(saw your page)

FYI ...

News From The Long War, Thread 2

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1784403/posts

And

MELDT.com

Are great for war news...

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Looky...

[cookcounty]

Funny how this has been out there for a month and nobody, not even conservatives, finds it wierd.

[Jet Jaguar]

Mark.

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>The report issued by Davis characterized the Justice Department's investigation of Burger's thievery as "remarkably incurious.")<<<

That is G.W. Bush's Justice Department. G.W. Bush is either a Manchurian Candidate, or a Trojan Horse. There is no other possible explanation for him turning his back on true patriots (like many of his court nominees, Porter Goss, Scooter Libby and the recent Border Patrol agents), for failing to go after treasonous behavior by the media and lefties, and for failing to protect our borders and national sovereignty.

Well, there may be one other explanation: that he is as stupid as the lefties claim he is. But I cannot believe anyone is that stupid -- even Forrest Gump.

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

bttt

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Looky

[SandRat]

I SAW! I SAW!