Rudolph Giuliani?

American Thinker ^ | February 21, 2007 | Selwyn Duke

[mkjessup]

[In the continuing saga of why West Virginia is not 'exactly' like other Southern states]

Our Freeper With No Name said:

What does NOT EXACTLY mean to you. Either it is or it isn't.

Surely, you're not that ignorant are you? West Virginia, for all of it's Southern leanings, has generally kept returning it's 'Rat Senators to Washington time after time after time, they have seldom voted for the GOP presidential candidate, and that is in large part due to their being a 'Rat state on federal welfare (and that is due to no fault of the proud citizens of West Virginia, from where my own family hails), and that welfare-state status was and is perpetuated by the likes of Senator Robert KKK Byrdbrain, who has had his name placed on more public buildings and federal largesse than damn near any other politician in history. Senator and former Governor Jay Rockefeller, while paying his own personal dues with his work in the Peace Corps in West Virginia when he first moved there, more or less bought his way into the Governor's Mansion, and his personal fortune coupled with his name recognition is what put him into a Senate seat as well.

THAT is why West Virginia is 'not exactly' like other states of the South, because West Virginia has never been off the federal teat long enough to do what other southern states have been doing for decades, i.e., shifting into the GOP column.

All your babble is wishy-washy - nothing of substance.

I've responded with established fact, you are still responding with hysterics.

[mkjessup]

First of all. It's 'chickie-POO' not 'chickie-Boo.'

It's anything I want it to be.

and second...I am not a diehard Rudy or anyone fan. Rudy was unfairly trashed and I didn't like it.

Indeed.

You were sure carrying Rudy's water for him in the following thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1788197/posts?page=40#40

Methinks thou dost protesteth too much.

[Delphinium]

Loved the article, and I totally believe his opinion.

[mkjessup]

Should Republicans support someone who chose the Democrat Mario Cuomo over the candidate of their own Party?
That is an interesting point; it is one of the things about Giuliani that bothers me. His support of Mario Cuomo was reprehensible. I also am bothered by his decision to abandon the Senate race in NY. As I recall, he was undergoing treatment for prostate cancer at the time, though I have wondered if that was a justification on his part. His decision to withdraw left the Republicans scrambling and gave Hillary Clinton a much easier victory, though I think she probably would have won anyway. Finally, his judgment on the Bernard Kerik nomination was pretty bad. I really don't see him as the nominee. I think the press is touting him so relentlessly now because they believe he cannot possibly win the White House; in that respect, he is the media's ideal Republican candidate.

BINGO.

Grace, you win the kewpie doll!

[Delphinium]

the social right has blown it....it is time for the Yankees to take the wheel.

It was not the right that blew it, it was those mostly RINOS, and “the go along to get alongs” that made people go away.

The Republican Party has grown to stand for certain principles and that is what I believe most Americans want. The want real principles, not phony politicians.

[mkjessup]

Uhhh, Nelson's dead.
Duh! He was in politics long before he died and it wasn't in NY!

Still waiting to hear from you regarding where Nelson Rockefeller was

"in politics long before he died and it wasn't in NY!"

[spikeytx86]

I'm sorry you feel that way.

And I have never shied away about talking about his record. I can't explain everything as I am not Giuliani but am always willing to discuss his record on any issue.

[Fawn]

I posted tons of stuff in defense of Rudy. That's what I said. That doesn't mean i'm a die hard fan. I'm telling you twice now....I didn't like the way he was trashed and I stuck for him. You have a problem with understanding context.

[mkjessup]

Your sarcasm and unwillingness to be honest says it all.

For a RudyBot, you've been less than straightforward yourself, and you've been operating on a minimum of knowledge about your candidate, and about political history.

You REFUSE to list Hillary's and Obama's accomplishments.

I've refused nothing. You erected a straw man and you're attempting to play 'Dancing With The Stars' with it.

Go Rudy! They lie and deny at the mention of your name!

That orgasmic shout-out ought to get you at least a week's worth of parking vouchers from RudyBot Central.

Enjoy 'em pal.

[mkjessup]

I posted tons of stuff in defense of Rudy. That's what I said. That doesn't mean i'm a die hard fan. I'm telling you twice now....I didn't like the way he was trashed and I stuck for him. You have a problem with understanding context.

Ok Fawn, I take you at your word.

Who do YOU support for President in '08?

[Fawn]

I have no idea yet.....

[neverdem]

Hate to burst your bubble but at one time or another EVERY republican President has held liberal views on abortion.

Nobody who has opposed Second Amendment rights has ever won the Republican nomination.

So WE must ask ourselves is THIS the direction in which we want the GOP to go?

Rudy is the best chance to capture more of the Democrat voter, if that's to whom you wish to appeal.

Have you ever heard of single issue voters? I can think of two off the top of my head. One only votes to protect the unborn. The other only votes because they don't want to become criminalized by unconstitutional legislation, e.g. concerns supposedly protected by the Second Amendment. The left avoided those issues in the last election, Nov. 2006. They won the Congress when many of those voters stayed home.

You can criticize their voting habits as much as you please, but when both parties are contending for the muddy center, while the culture is being yanked to the left by the MSM, what do those folks have to vote for or against? Those voters aren't stupid. Pubbies don't raise taxes. Big deal, they raise fees, fines, surcharges, etc. That's what you get with invertebrate RINOs.

[dirtboy]

You're supposed to ping someone when you post about them. Especially when you launch into a personal attack devoid of facts.

If you can't handle a bit of heat, grow a thicker skin. The year before a primary is full-contact sport on FR, and the Rudy boosters have no problem making unwarranted attacks and insults against the other side. I back my positions up with facts and history. All I hear from your side is a bunch of talking points that has little basis in reality, other than Rudy can harness the GOP money and bull**** machine to ride roughshod over the opposition in the primaries because of the front-loaded primary schedule. So this, by the own statements of Rudy boosters, could well be the only shot prevent a train wreck if Rudy were to win the nomination.

[dirtboy]

It was not the right that blew it, it was those mostly RINOS, and “the go along to get alongs” that made people go away.

Having totaled the bus, they demand a new bus and the keys for that as well.

[Delphinium]

Having totaled the bus, they demand a new bus and the keys for that as well.

And they are trying to twist it by lying, over and over and over that the conservatives did it. They think by telling that lie fast and furiously will get them the key to that new bus.

[presently no screen name]

You still haven't listed the accomplishments of Hillary and Obama. Instead I received lots of childish replies. You cannot back up what your call a 'valid' statement.

Go play with someone else who has more time to baby-sit you.

[Melas]

If you can't handle a bit of heat, grow a thicker skin. The year before a primary is full-contact sport on FR, and the Rudy boosters have no problem making unwarranted attacks and insults against the other side

This idea that politics is a full contact sport, meaning it's ok to act in a juvenile manner and sling insults to and fro, is nonsense. It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

the Rudy boosters have no problem making unwarranted attacks and insults against the other side.

I've originated no personal attacks against anyone based on their support for any candidate. What I've done is minor retaliation at best in pointing out just how low some are now stooping. C'mon, you posted a whole thread as bait, give me a break. You're smart enough to realize how junior high school that is, you just don't care.

All I hear from your side is a bunch of talking points that has little basis in reality, other than Rudy can harness the GOP money and bull**** machine to ride roughshod over the opposition in the primaries because of the front-loaded primary schedule.

Be honest here. Would you be calling it a front loaded primary if your guy was ahead? Would you be calling it the GOP bull---- machine if your guy was ahead? Please, these are thinly veiled rationalizations to explain away your candidate's poor showing and we all know it.

We're not children here, we can truck in the truth without temperment or rationalizations getting in the way.

[dirtboy]

This idea that politics is a full contact sport, meaning it's ok to act in a juvenile manner and sling insults to and fro, is nonsense. It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.

I'm not talking about juvenile insults. I am talking about forceful debate. If you want to see Rudy annoited by adoring masses, you won't get that here.

I've originated no personal attacks against anyone based on their support for any candidate. What I've done is minor retaliation at best in pointing out just how low some are now stooping. C'mon, you posted a whole thread as bait, give me a break. You're smart enough to realize how junior high school that is, you just don't care.

That thread is meant to be political humor. A timed-honored tradition in this country. And filled with a fair number of historical observations and facts. As are all my posts on this subject.

Be honest here. Would you be calling it a front loaded primary if your guy was ahead? Would you be calling it the GOP bull---- machine if your guy was ahead?

Yep, because both are true. By any definition, so many primaries have been moved up in the calandar from where they were in 2004 that it clearly is front-loaded. The fact that you even raise that as a counterpoint is absurd. And the money and bull**** machine is a large part of the pro-illegal and pro-big-spending problems in the GOP.

Please, these are thinly veiled rationalizations to explain away your candidate's poor showing and we all know it.

Already shown to be false.

We're not children here,

As he completes his fact-free rant.

we can truck in the truth without temperment or rationalizations getting in the way.

You don't get at the truth by avoiding it.

[madprof98]

I am always amazed at the number of actual leftists on FR who think they are conservatives.

I don't think Rudy is going to get the GOP nomination. If he does, I believe it will mark a transition in the GOP from the conservative Party the Reagan Democrats signed up for into something more like the liberal/libertarian Party that Jim Jeffords represented. Many of us wouldn't want to be involved with a Party like that at all.

But even if Rudy loses the nomination, as I hope he will, I wonder if this won't mark the end of FreeRepublic as we have known it. I thought perhaps that might happen in the acriminous days of the Terri Schiavo controversy, but then, it seemed clear that only a small minority of very vocal posters wanted Terri to die. Now, it seems possible that a majority of posters would like to see the social conservatives die . . . or at least find themselves another Party and another forum as well.

[dirtboy]

And they are trying to twist it by lying, over and over and over that the conservatives did it.

We were the ones yelling at them to hit the damn brakes. Instead, they turned leftward right into the path of oncoming Democrats.