Lawsuit accuses pastor of abuse

Fort Worth Star-Telegram ^ | February 10, 2007 | Melanie McDonald

[gcruse]

Prosecutors also left several messages for the woman and sent her letters, but she never responded...

"God, Irene, it must be horrible for you." "Oh, it is. He never writes, he never calls..."

[Graybeard58]

I've tried but I can't seem to work up any sympathy for this woman.

If the pastor really did all this stuff he should go to jail.

She should go some place for really stupid people.

[Continental Soldier]

Kelly and Allen, perfect together! Two complete dysfunctional misfits!

[pandoraou812]

Exactly.....There was a thread a few days ago on this. I said then that I just don't think she is completely innocent here. At some point she had to figure out that having sex with the Pastor was a sin didn't she? All I know is if my Pastor tried to paddle me or make me run laps he'd be hurting for certain. I think she is looking for money. The Pastor sounds like he is into S&M and if he is using his position as a man of God to get women involved in his fantasies its sickening . I think he needs time in jail.

[Mark was here]

The Pastor sounds like he is into S&M and if he is using his position as a man of God to get women involved in his fantasies its sickening . I think he needs time in jail.

No doubt this guy is a nut. I do not think the law should treat him any different than any other man who has a woman that lets him paddle her.

[Fido969]

I dunno, something about this story doesn't smell right.

[pandoraou812]

He needs jail if he was abusing these women by using his position as a man of God. I don't care if the woman/women (as another women said he paddled her too) are stupid. Abuse is abuse and using your stature as a man of the cloth makes it worse. He needs jail time with bubba paddling his rear for him. He is a nut and it never ceases me that women can be can be so dumb. I hear of people hurting their children because their religion says to. I know this much anybody , man of the cloth or not tried to paddle me he would be in for the surprise of his life. He wouldn't be in any shape to paddle anyone for awhile. ~P~

[pandoraou812]

ping again

[Mark was here]

He needs jail if he was abusing these women by using his position as a man of God.

If he abused his position within his Church, it is a mater for the Church.

If he asks the woman for permission to paddle her, and she says yes, it is just two crazy folks living as they see fit.

If he asks the woman for permission to paddle her, and she says no, and he paddles her anyway, then jail time is called for.

[deaconjim]

I would never have thought that it was necessary to say this, but I guess I must.

NO REAL MINISTER WILL EVER SPANK YOU OR HAVE YOU REMOVE YOUR CLOTHES. IF THEY TELL YOU TO, THEY ARE FRAUDS AND YOU SHOULD NOT DO WHAT THEY TELL YOU TO DO.

[pandoraou812]

NO ...It is a matter for the law. The church is not a law unto its self. If he commits crimes by intimidating women because he is a Pastor it is a crime for the LAW. NOT THE LAW OF HIS CHURCH!! If that was the case there wouldn't be all theses sex offense cases being tried in court with priests and little boys. Just because you are a Pastor with S&M fantasies you can't hide behind your cloth...It is abuse and it becomes a matter for the law. I feel this situation must be a odd as she didn't go to the law where she should have went ASAP. She is seeking money by her civil lawsuit. I hold her in contempt because if this guy is a nut who uses his place as a Pastor to intimidate women then she is allowing him not to face legal consequences and therefore save other women from his fetish with padding and downgrading women. He ought to be stripped of his Pastor status and never be allowed to preach again anywhere. There are far too many wackadoddle churches which advocate beating and strange behavior as it is. I just read where a little 8 yr old boy was abused to death because the "church" said beat your children. Many churches say beat your wife too. Then you have totally wacky churches like the WBC and the Rev Fred Phelps. No church should tell its members that violence is the answer. Or want all your money. Some people are very stupid who believe in this BS. I don't know what kind of church you belong to but my church doesn't believe in hurting people.... They believe in love and helping people. .....So unless she goes through the legal system I don't think she ought to see a dime. She was stupid and I don't think anyone ought to engage in stupid behavior then cry abuse and get money!! ~~Pandora~~

[pandoraou812]

Thank you for your sensible reply! ~P~

[pandoraou812]

need your opinion ping ~P~

[TigersEye]

My opinion? Stuff happens.

[pandoraou812]

lmao strange stuff huh? And TE what would you do if that so called Pastor tried to paddle you? EFG

[TigersEye]

Laugh uncontrollably. Call the cops. Beat him senseless.

It kind of depends on the circumstances. I'm an incredibly unlikely target for a pervert pastor.

[pandoraou812]

rofl got you....I knew I would get in a better mood after reading your reply. Bet you laughed when you saw it huh? Pandora pulled TE's tail lmao Have a great day TE ~P~

[Mark was here]

NO ...It is a matter for the law. The church is not a law unto its self. If he commits crimes by intimidating women because he is a Pastor it is a crime for the LAW. NOT THE LAW OF HIS CHURCH!!

The priests who abused the boys are being prosecuted because the they made a homosexual assault on the boys, (The PC call them pedophiles - but I'm far from PC), some homos use video games, some use their position in the Church. All should be prosecuted for their crimes because they abused someone.

If the Church wants to kick out homo's who deal with young boys, more power to them, and they should. It is a crime with the boy's because they were too young to give their consent to the sex.

This woman who let someone paddle her, for what ever reason or game she was playing. As long as she did not say no, no laws were broken. If she said no, then laws were broken. I do not think it matters under the law, or it should not mater, if the spanker is a Butcher, a Banker, or a Candlestick maker.

This is like fraternity hazing, and I have no problem with it. If people wants to subject themselves to it, frankly I could care less, and if they get hurt I could care even less. I'll save my sympathy for those who are hurt thru no fault of their own.

This woman needs mental help, not legal help.

I don't know what kind of church you belong to but my church doesn't believe in hurting people.... They believe in love and helping people. .....

Please come out and say what you are implying, by asking about my church. I would love to hear it. I am really happy that your Church believes in love and helping people.

[pandoraou812]

You don't understand what I am saying. Yes.. if it was a consenting game that 2 adults were playing fine. I could care less what they do. However if he used any bit of persuasion as a Pastor to get her into his sick twisted games then it ought to be a matter for the law.

IMO Both of theses people need mental help.

As for fraternity hazing I am totally against that too. Many young adults have died because of stupid games and for what?

Please come out and say what you are implying, by asking about my church. .............. Some people belong to churches that do believe that they have the power to judge their members actions. Such as the Amish. I am by no means criticizing whatever church you belong to. Not unless you belong to the WBC and your Reverend is Fred Phelps. If so then I see no reason to talk to you at all.

Frankly I think this woman is after money. I think if she were honest she would have confessed all of this to the husband, not run away to her sister's. She would care to make sure that no other women was ever put in the same position as she was ...She would have gone to the police and not just filed a civil suit against the Pastor.
What I think you don't understand is that I am trying to say is ...No man that has a position of helping another....be it a judge, cop, lawyer or Pastor should use that power to convince a woman that she deserves to be paddled.

IMO I think theres plenty of stupid of women out there after reading this story.

I did not mean to offend you or your church in any way. ~P~