Giuliani criticizes Gore for not going far enough on Global Warming (by not offering solutions)

Pajamas Media ^ | February 13, 2007 | Bill Bradley

[OMalley]

Its probally pointless to try and persuade these folks. He could say just about anything and theyd dig until they could find a "conservative angle".

This is just Rudy sticking his finger in the pot to see what type of reaction he gets.

If its positive, I expect well see more on this from Rudy, if not hell claim he never said he agreed with global warming, just acknowleging the reports.

How far left does this guy have to go before folks realize he is NOT a conservative?

[Ramius]

I believe we have had minor warming from natural causes.

Oh, so you've adopted Rudy's position on the subject, then?

:-)

[dirtboy]

But this is just petty ankle-biting.

Last I checked, the liberals wish to hamstring our economy with Kyoto-type restrictions. So this is a VERY big deal.

[dirtboy]

Oh, so you've adopted Rudy's position on the subject, then?

Read the transcript that I posted and please explain how Rudy said global warming is not human caused.

[Ramius]

the liberals wish to hamstring our economy with Kyoto-type restrictions

Kyoto's dead. It's not going to be signed by Rudy or anybody else.

[Labyrinthos]

I disagree. He is pointing out that if you have a problem, leadership requires trying to solve the problem. algore's solution might be to put us back in the stone age.

I agree. RG's comment is similar to Mark Levin's comment the other night on his radio show about how Pelosi and the left criticize and attack President Bush's Iraq policy, but offer no solutions of their own. That doesn't make Mr. Levin anti-war or anti-Bush. I too would like to know what Al G(wh)ore intends to do about the global warming "problem" other than attack President Bush. Tell me Al, as you travel around the country in your oil guzzling private jets and limos, have you come up with a real solution to what you believe is a real problem?

[dirtboy]

He's criticizing Gore for whining about problems yet offering no solutions.

That's the entire problem. AlGore and the envirowhackos HAVE a solution. Or at least what they think is a solution. Namely, Kyoto-type approaches that would severely hamstring our economy. It was stupid of Rudy to take that approach against Gore. He will come back and demand that Rudy support Kyoto-type approaches.

[Kirkwood]

"I love the injection of "only" into your new defensive position."

What new position? It is the same position I had since I came onto the thread. Anyway, you can go ahead and parse Rudy's words anyway you like so that they disagree with your beliefs, but unless you take his statements as a whole, you are totally missing his point. I find nothing in his statements to disagree with and a lot to agree with. It is certainly true that man pollutes the environment and sensible ways of reducing that pollution are always good.

[dirtboy]

Kyoto's dead. It's not going to be signed by Rudy or anybody else.

Oh, they will keep attempting. And giving their religion credence is NOT the right path.

[dirtboy]

Anyway, you can go ahead and parse Rudy's words anyway you like so that they disagree with your beliefs

I'm curious how the bolded sections can be construed any other way.

[FreeInWV]

He said that Al Gore lacked "zeal" in taking on the special interests (Energy producers) and that is what we need.

Sorry, but everytime someone takes on these special interests, my electric bill goes up. All of my utilities have gone dramatically up due to the demands of environmentalists. My gasoline bill goes up because we can essentially no longer drill domestically and because of the mandated gas blends and mandated nature programs. I would like for someone to tally the total per capita cost of all of this environmentalism. I bet its thousands per year. Environmentalists are getting the american public to subsidize their agendas not through taxes but through unfunded mandates.

[Ramius]

All I've ever heard him say is that he believes some climate change is happening but is not convinced that it is anthropogenic. Well, duh.

If it makes you feel better to spin this up into something... well... enjoy.

If he's so evil there ought to be something more substantive to attack him with.

[dirtboy]

ping

[oldbill]

Look, global warming really does exist. Everyone (except you apparently) knows that it exists

And your credentials for making this statement are? Please list degrees, papers on the subject, data tables. . .

Oh - it's just because you (and Al Gore and the liberals and the university grant recipients) say it is. I didn't realize that's what passes for research these days.

[Reagan Man]

So Rudy believes the scientific experts, many who are leftwing environmental wackos, that there is "significant human cause" to global warming.

Significant means substantial.

Scientists have been telling us for the last 50-100 years, the Earth has been going through a period of warming since the end of the last ice age. The last ice age ended 10,000-30,000 years ago, depending upon who is talking on the subject matter. Algore is an extremist on Global Warming. Algore thinks humans have had a major impact on the Earth`s temperature rising.

Giuliani is coming down somewhere closer to liberals like Algore and A.Schwarzy, then to folks like Rush Limbaugh and climate expert Bill Gray, meteorology professor emeritus at Colorado State. Looks like Rudy is solidly with the liberals, AGAIN!

[dirtboy]

All I've ever heard him say is that he believes some climate change is happening but is not convinced that it is anthropogenic. Well, duh.

Once again, please tell me how the bolded section can NOT show he believes in human-caused global warming.

Plus, if he is demanding solutions from Al Gore, it means he believes that the problem is real. You don't demand solutions for a non-existent problem (well, then again, Rudy confiscated guns from law-abiding NYC permit holders, so maybe he does).

[Ramius]

Whatever makes you feel better.

Vote for Hunter. Really. Do it.

[rockinqsranch]

OK, to this point, your post #39 I have read all the responses although only your advice to me on the quality of barf bag has been addressed of my question in post#30, I have determined by the content of those posts that in the video Mr. Giuliani in fact does believe in GW, and that we should make efforts to torque reality to accomodate the fallacy.

That's what I thought, but just wanted to be certain.

[Prokopton]

"but let's try the 21st century for a while."

Unfortunately, some think the 21st century must be an era where only liberals compete against each other for elected office. Some of the posts on FR sound like a democrat convention arguing about why one liberal is better than another. I, and many others, will not except the premise that the 18th century ideas enshrined in our Constitution are no longer relevant in this 21st century. Great leaders are always to be emulated from Washington to Reagan. We can't always have a great leader, but to give up and claim that we must accept that which we don't believe in because this is a new century is sophistry and leads to the slow death of defeatism.

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

I am not convinced that global warming is largely a human creation. There is much evidence that it is part of a cycle. There are many scientists that will tell you as much. Also, many scientists believe than humans contribute significantly to global warming. That concerns me enough to consider reasonable changes in our energy policies. We need to shed our dependence on Middle East Oil countries that want to kill us, that alone should be enough to change our energy consumption through conservation and/or science.