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Gilliani is Best GOP Hope in Florida (Beats HRC In Head to Head Matchup for Sunshine State)
Angus Reid Global Monitor ^ | 2.12.07 | Quinnipiac University Polling Institute

Posted on 02/14/2007 7:14:04 AM PST by meg88

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To: Dr. Frank fan
But threats to defect, or go third-party, if Giuliani does win the nomination, are truly idiotic.

No, what is truly idiotic is pushing someone from the far, far left of the GOP as its presidential nominee, given the disasterous electoral history for the GOP when the party drifts leftwards.

81 posted on 02/14/2007 8:06:54 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Xenalyte
Both of which make me think he'll never get elected, since people can't spell his name

Why would you think that? What does a misplaced "i" have to do with being elected? Really, I'm serious. What?

82 posted on 02/14/2007 8:06:55 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: Tax-chick

I suppose his running mate will be the Skipper.


83 posted on 02/14/2007 8:07:43 AM PST by Constitution Day
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To: Dr. Frank fan
It means (if they oppose him in the general election) they will help her win, de facto.

No. Pushing Rudy on us in the Primaries is what will help HRC win. Again, you aren't going to pull the true believers away from a (D) but you will lose the support of conservatives (to a third party or apathy) if you propose a RINO.

84 posted on 02/14/2007 8:08:45 AM PST by pgyanke (Gay marriage does to real marriage what counterfeit money does to real money. - Hemogoblin)
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To: dirtboy
It is the responsibility of the party leaders to promote candidates who can hold the base together.

What, pray tell, is "the base", exactly? And why is it so hard to "hold together"? And if it is, then in what sense is it a "base"?

Pushing a guy at the far left of the party is completely irresponsible given the history of the GOP losing when it drifts leftwards.

Nobody, certainly not "party leaders", is "pushing" Rudy Giuliani. Polls are taken and he typically comes out near the top. The problem is that every time this happens, a bunch of Freepers, seemingly afraid of him for some reason, demonize him and make idiotic threats to defect if he won the nomination. That is what is completely irresponsible.

85 posted on 02/14/2007 8:08:59 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank fan
To what extent was it even actually occurring?

Google searchs show estimates of 3000-4000 a year. In other words, more children were dismembered each year by this procedure than people who died in the WTC attacks.

Yet you push Rudy because of the WOT but belittle a ban on a procedure that kills more each year than the 9-11 attacks. Pathetic.

86 posted on 02/14/2007 8:09:06 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Brilliant

Not only does the GOP need Florida (as in I don't see any scenario in which the GOP can win without Florida), Hillary may have Richardson as her running mate, which would strengthen her in Flordia (and several other purple states with large hispanic populations).

This is going to be a tough one.

Rudy's looking real good, electoral college-wise. He holds all the red states, and gathers in a lot of the purple states. This is very positive. But, his margins are thin in many states, meaning that if the war is dragging on, or if the economy were to sour, the other side would probably win.

On the other hand, given Rudy's nationwide appeal, were something good to happen in the war, the odds are good for a solid victory in the electoral college, along with regaining out majorities in Congress and restoring our party's grassroots in a number of states.

In the in-between case of mixed results from Iraq (and elsewhere), it'll be a toss-up.

Losing in 2008 means that the Democrats will pull the plug on Iraq, the same as they did in Vietnam. On the other hand, winning in 2008 means we would be able, almost indefinitely, to support Iraq with financial aid, technical advise, special operations and air power. While I can't say if this would be enough for the cause of freedom in Iraq, my main concern is the cause of freedom in the United States.

We can help the Iraqis, but in the end, their future is for them to determine. Just as our future is for us to determine.


87 posted on 02/14/2007 8:10:47 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Dr. Frank fan
What, pray tell, is "the base", exactly? And why is it so hard to "hold together"? And if it is, then in what sense is it a "base"?

As in being center right and giving everyone in the party something to vote for. Bush II at least was pro-life and not a gun-grabber.

Nobody, certainly not "party leaders", is "pushing" Rudy Giuliani.

Gee, I couldn't tell from the posts on FR about the various elected Republicans supporting Rudy.

88 posted on 02/14/2007 8:12:17 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: katieanna

Concerning reversing his positions ... don't you like the way people want to back Mitt Romney as the "conservative" alternative to Rudy Guiliani?


89 posted on 02/14/2007 8:12:37 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: TitansAFC
There is already an active movement among many of us prepared to back a Third Party candidate if Rudy wins the nod. Names mentioned, some (but not all) of whom have already expressed interest: Alan Keyes, Gary Bauer, Bob Smith, Pat Buchanan,....just to name a few. It will be someone who essentially takes votes away from Rudy Giuliani EXCLUSIVELY.

Nice collection of bitter losers you have there. Good luck reaching 0.5% in the general election with that pathetic crew.

90 posted on 02/14/2007 8:13:04 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: Constitution Day; Tax-chick
I suppose his running mate will be the Skipper.

And if nominated, he will maroon the party on a desert island for at least four years.

91 posted on 02/14/2007 8:13:24 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Taichi

Look at Duncan Hunter. Although not 100%, he's a far cry from the others.


92 posted on 02/14/2007 8:13:32 AM PST by pgyanke (Gay marriage does to real marriage what counterfeit money does to real money. - Hemogoblin)
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To: pgyanke
It's a backlash reaction to a supposedly conservative-leaning political party that keeps pushing left-leaning candidates

As I said in an earlier comment, nobody is "pushing" him. He wins a bunch of these early polls. Polls sample widespread opinion. This is basically the opposite of him being "pushed"; if anything, poll respondents are "pulling"....

and expecting conservatives to hold their noses to vote for the "lesser of two evils".

We have a winner-take-all electoral system. This naturally leads to an equilibrium wherein two major parties dominate most elections. That means that essentially every general election is a choice between the lesser of two evils - like it or not. Grownups should understand and accept this. Particularly after the Perot effect in 1992, which many here seem to have forgotten.

Again, just to be clear, it's fine to oppose Giuliani in the primary - knock yourselves out. But when the general election comes around, if it happens to be Giuliani vs. Clinton, this notion/constant threat of defecting is idiotic and deserves to be condemned as such.

93 posted on 02/14/2007 8:14:24 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: dirtboy

Learn to love coconuts!


94 posted on 02/14/2007 8:15:26 AM PST by Tax-chick (Every "choice" has a direct object.)
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To: meg88; All


It seems the NY dominated MSM types want a NY connection to the next president. It will be NY senator vs Former NY mayor. (remember all AP is routed through the NY offices these days)

All this pro-Guiliani, pro-Hilary stories is to drive money to the 1st tier candidates and force the less known candidates to burn money.

Guiliani is too pro-homosexual marriage for a FL primary. Guiliani is too pro-gun control for a FL primary.


95 posted on 02/14/2007 8:15:31 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: pgyanke
Get a life! We're in the primaries!

Tell that to the (several) people who've threatened to defect, or made "predictions" of mass defection, should Giuliani be put forth in the general election.

96 posted on 02/14/2007 8:16:34 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: dirtboy

I notice you didn't actually dispute the point I made, you just complained that I made it. bye,


97 posted on 02/14/2007 8:17:31 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: pgyanke
Pushing Rudy on us in the Primaries is what will help HRC win.

Well, if that's what you honestly think, then ok, we simply have a genuine disagreement. If your opposition to Giuliani is based on a sincere belief that he would minimize (R) chances of defeating Hillary, then I would respect that.

you will lose the support of conservatives (to a third party or apathy) if you propose a RINO.

But if so, that is dumb (of them), and I'm going to say so.

98 posted on 02/14/2007 8:19:26 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: dirtboy
Google searchs show estimates of 3000-4000 a year.

And how many of those 3000-4000 are now being aborted by other means?

99 posted on 02/14/2007 8:20:16 AM PST by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank fan
Of course not, but people (I don't know if you are one) who threaten to defect which, objectively, would help Hillary Clinton become President, should Giuliani win the nomination, do deserve to be maligned.

Excuse me but did Reagan leave the Democrat party or did it leave him? The GOP is going to go Democrat-lite and call their detractors defective?! This is America. We have a freedom of conscience in this country. The political party is supposed to courting my support, not demanding it. It's a market-based system. If the "leadership" of the GOP thinks they can sell Rudy, let them try. Don't be surprised, though, when market share declines due to lack of market research.

The party is truly becoming Democratic when it demands my support rather than giving me an acceptable product. Consider our "mouthing off" in the primaries a desperate shout of market research.

100 posted on 02/14/2007 8:20:34 AM PST by pgyanke (Gay marriage does to real marriage what counterfeit money does to real money. - Hemogoblin)
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