Posted on 02/12/2007 3:35:00 PM PST by Wormwood
So when was it the woman's job to support the family while the men just get to sit around and *study*? IMO, they're abdicating their role as provider in the family. Lazy bums.
I pinged bunnyslippers because I think she'll have the best insight into this.
I’m not sure what to think about this…but,
If they are truly public bus lines then fundamentalists of any religion should not dictate where paying customers sit or make judgment on clothing unless it is truly objectionable to the norms of the general public – like say being naked.
If they are privately owned and can dictate they own rules then they need to make that clear before the unsuspecting pays their fare.
“The feisty 57-year-old New York-born novelist and feminist has signed on to a new legal challenge”
Well, if I got on a bus and paid my fare and some 300 pound bearded guy told me to move from my seat – I’d get pretty feisty too.
Fascinating. Thanks.
Finally some common ground between them and Muslims! Blaming the woman for their own impure thoughts.
Oddly, if I have 'erotic thoughts' which don't involve my wife, I blame my own sinful nature, and seek forgiveness through repentence; not blame nor seek to bag the bouncing buxom babe.
ANYONE can resist a non-temptation; the real test is to be able to walk through a whorehouse to deliver towels, and steadfastly refuse to be tempted.
Plus they do not serve in the military
There are an awful lot of similarities between fanatical Islam and fanatical Judaism. They are both barbaric remnants of a single Semitic culture -- similar brands of misogyny, similar dietary restrictions, similar inclination to regard their own group as the only people who matter. Two peas in a pod.
About the towel delivery. Can I make the delivery inside in one trip, or do I have to make multiple trips inside? :)
Seriously, I agree with you completely.
Here is the absurdity of this:
Suppose all women in the world wore a full burkha in public. Whadaya bet these same people would now complain that the mere presence of women in public arouses them too much, & therefore women should not be allowed in public any longer. Shear nonsense, but the next logical step.
I would say to them, "If thy eye offend thee, pluck it out".
This should be turned around on them - make any "offended" individual sit in the back of the bus, with the seats facing backward so they may not see any women as they enter or leave the bus. This would be far more effective in "protecting" the "men".
Unfortunate, and accurate, and likely to provoke some lively discussion.
LOVE IT!!!!
Perhaps we should have pictures of some Israeli hotties so we can judge if our morals are outraged.
I have wondered this about the guy in the Rosa Parks incident....What self respecting guy demands that a woman give him his seat????!!!? Seriously, I would love to know how big a pansy you have to be before you actually demand that a woman move so that you can sit.
And the most audacious part of it is that they contribute little or nothing to the public treasury which supports the public services and amenities that they claim a right to control. Haredi men rarely do anything but study the Torah and Talmud. The article notes somewhat incorrectly that the women are usually the main financial supporters of the families. Compared to the men's contributions, yes, but in fact these families are heavy users of the Israeli welfare system (and in the US, they're heavy users of US government welfare programs, and have also run some spectacular insurance fraud schemes, with their doctors falsely reporting treatments and services as having been rendered to members of an insured family, when in fact they were rendered to members of a laundry list of other families). And of course they refuse to serve in the Israeli military -- they want OTHER Jews to risk and lose their lives, in order to protect the lazy self-indulgent lifestyles of the Haredi. Now they want to prohibit their women from getting enough education to even have a chance at supporting their huge families, so they'll soon be dipping even deeper into the welfare pot. Why working Israelis are willing to feed these people is beyond me.
One of the problems is that it's what society deems too stimulating. Years ago in this country, ankles were considered risque and immodest and yet now, nobody thinks anything of it. In some cultures, the people hardly wear any clothes.
I think a lot of it is what you're conditioned to think is erotic. Then when someone violates that standard, it's the message they're sending, not the particular body part that's showing, within reason (I don't recall that there's a culture I've heard of where total nakedness is permissable)
These guys need to clean up their own minds instead of blame shifting, and realize that temptation is temptation, everyone goes there and it's normal. It's what you do with it that's important.
Regarding the man on the bus.
He violated 3 societal rules, IMO:
1. He didn't mind his own business.
2. He disrespected another person in public.
3. He violated the implied democracy of a bus - those who get on first can take any available seat.
Somebody should have tossed him back onto the street.
His cowardly actions are those of a thug, and a supposedly religious one at that.
Disgusting!
The Israeli gov't should tell these people to get along with others on the bus or walk.
What a weak reply.
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