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Cosmic Rays Blamed For Global Warming
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 2-11-2007 | Richard Gray

Posted on 02/10/2007 6:38:21 PM PST by blam

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To: Chaguito

Don't forget the grant money


101 posted on 02/10/2007 9:50:56 PM PST by steveab
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To: ancient_geezer


Remember this in 2002?
102 posted on 02/10/2007 9:54:53 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Earth got about 0.7 degrees Celsius warmer in the 20th century while it increased its GDP by 1,800 percent, by one estimate.

It's only fair that if they can assume that warming is caused by CO2 then we can assume that increases in living standard can be attributed to warming.

103 posted on 02/10/2007 10:05:00 PM PST by Dan Evans
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To: Screamname
Richard Branson with his $25 million to find a "cure"

That $25 million is REAL safe.

104 posted on 02/10/2007 10:24:56 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: blam

ping 4 referance


105 posted on 02/10/2007 10:31:10 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

That is what they say. Mars is going through global warming and the ice at the poles is melting.

Has to be us because it does not occur naturally according to the scientists.

Go figure huh?


106 posted on 02/10/2007 10:58:53 PM PST by JSteff
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To: randog
"If so, it could force climate scientists to re-evaluate their ideas about how global warming occurs.
Yeah, just like carbon dating the Shroud of Turin forced Christians to re-evaluate their religion."


Actually, the original tests were found faulty (contaminated samples taken from sections handled for centuries) and the new results put the status back to inconclusive (the materials are as old as they should be...)


But this theory should be testable (cosmic ray count being significantly up, etc...). Unfortunately the Manmade Global Warming Dogmatists still wouldnt acknowledge anything like this in any case (their hearts have already been hardened -- like Pharaoh's...)
107 posted on 02/10/2007 10:59:50 PM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: Dallas59
TUESDAY IS SOYLENT GREEN DAY!!




Guess what Soylent Pink is made out of ???

And Soylent Red is made out of ACLU lawyers ......
108 posted on 02/10/2007 11:06:03 PM PST by wodinoneeye
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This would be a good time for Bush to start a massive Fusion Power Tech Development Project.


109 posted on 02/10/2007 11:12:13 PM PST by wodinoneeye
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To: blam

My SUV makes cosmic rays? Who knew?!

But seriously...

It would be interesting to see if any of the known solar cycles, especially those that coincide with the Earth's temperature cycles, also cause variations in solar cosmic ray production. (We know that these cycles involve changes in the EM output of the sun, but what about particles?)


110 posted on 02/10/2007 11:23:39 PM PST by Redcloak ("Shooting makes me feel better!" -Aeryn Sun)
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To: blam

Doggone! Wouldn't you know it? I just transferred all my holdings into carbon credits.


111 posted on 02/10/2007 11:36:56 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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To: randog

No, they tested the PATCH sewn on after the church fire in the 1500s. Another satanic ploy, doesn't work. The totality of the evidence is perfectly clear, that's the face of the JUDGE that will judge YOU on JUDGEMENT DAY, on the shroud of turin.


112 posted on 02/10/2007 11:38:10 PM PST by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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To: mamalujo
"I thought the article said we had decreased cloud cover "

Right now, we do. The amount of cosmic rays reaching the atmosphere decreases when the magnetic field of the sun increases. It just so happens that in the last 50-100 years, the magnetic field of the sun has DOUBLED. Soooo--global warming.

113 posted on 02/11/2007 3:43:52 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Erasmus
"In other words, the upper atmosphere is a gigantic cloud chamber."

Yup---that's pretty much it.

114 posted on 02/11/2007 3:45:01 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Redcloak

It would be interesting to see if any of the known solar cycles, especially those that coincide with the Earth's temperature cycles, also cause variations in solar cosmic ray production.

Carbon 14 & Beryllium 10 isotopes are generated in the atmosphere through nuclear interaction with cosmic rays in the atmosphere. Both show cycles in concentration in sync with solar cycles.

More directly the geomagnetic field varies with the solar cycle as it is modulated by the sun's magnetic field.

On top of that neutron counts vary with the solar cycle, as does the lower cloud levels.

Cosmic Rays & Climate
http://www.sciencebits.com/CosmicRaysClimate:

Clouds have been observed from space since the beginning of the 1980's. By the mid 1990's, enough cloud data accumulated to provide empirical evidence for a solar/cloud-cover link. Without the satellite data, it hard or probably impossible to get statistically meaningful results because of the large systematic errors plaguing ground based observations. Using the satellite data, Henrik Svensmark of the Danish National Space Center in Copenhagen has shown that cloud cover varies in sync with the variable cosmic ray flux reaching the Earth. Over the relevant time scale, the largest variations arise from the 11-yr solar cycle, and indeed, this cloud cover seemed to follow the cycle and a half of cosmic ray flux modulation. Later, Henrik Svensmark and his colleague Nigel Marsh, have shown that the correlation is primarily with low altitude cloud cover. This can be seen in fig. 3.


Figure 3: The correlation between cosmic ray flux (orange) as measured in Neutron count monitors in low magnetic latitudes, and the low altitude cloud cover (blue) using ISCCP satellite data set, following Marsh & Svensmark, 2003.
The solar-activity – cosmic-ray-flux – cloud-cover correlation is quite apparent.


115 posted on 02/11/2007 3:47:07 AM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: blam
I thought the Cosmic Rays was a Punk Rock Group.
116 posted on 02/11/2007 4:05:41 AM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: blam; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; Mrs. Don-o; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; gruffwolf; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off

Click graphic for full GW rundown

117 posted on 02/11/2007 6:23:30 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: blam
Is it anthropogenic greenhouse gas or Mr. Sun?

More evidence in support of the most important variable of temperature anomaly.

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Global Warming on Pluto Puzzles Scientists

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Global Warming Detected on Triton (moon of Neptune)

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Mars getting warmer, orbiter data suggests

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Mars Emerging from Ice Age, Data Suggest>

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Mars Ski Report: Snow is Hard, Dense and Disappearing

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(Mars Global Surveyor) tracked changes in weather for four complete Mars years, the equivalent of eight Earth years. For three consecutive Martian summers, it showed that the polar ice caps were shrinking, suggesting a climate change in progress.

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Is there Global Warming on Mars?

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Global warming on Mars – without SUVs!

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SUV's On Jupiter?

118 posted on 02/11/2007 6:33:34 AM PST by Beowulf
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To: blam
There neeeds to be an official FR thread that plots the causes of global temperature change. Off the top of my head:

Cosmic Rays
The chemistry of different layers of the atmosphere (Co2, O2, o3, N, Chloroflourocarbons, etc.)
The Sun
Variations in Earth's Orbit
Variations in the Jet Stream
Variations in the Earth's gravity
The Moon's effect on the tides and deformation of the Earth's crust
How the Core interacts with the mantle and the interaction with the Crust
The chemistry of the world's oceans
The variations of the various ocean currents (Antarctic Circumpolar Current, Atlantic North Equatorial Current, North Atlantic Deep Water etc.)
The natural carbon cycle
Effects of volcanos on the atmosphere

119 posted on 02/11/2007 6:39:47 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: Vicomte13

When you add the magnetic pole changes to the Milankovitch Cycles, to the sun's output changing, to the sunspot cycles, and toss in cosmic rays, you get one complicated model. I hope they took all this in.

Maybe they can also explain the warming on Mars, Pluto and Triton, one of Neptunes moons.

I guess climate modeling isn't as simple as it seems, and it will likely be along long time before we have the capability or the understanding to make a real model.

Correlation does not equal causation, one of the first mistakes junior scientists make.


120 posted on 02/11/2007 6:47:18 AM PST by Tarpon
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