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Changes to No Child Left Behind expected
AP on Yahoo ^ | 2/10/07 | Nancy Zuckerbrod - ap

Posted on 02/10/2007 4:11:56 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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1 posted on 02/10/2007 4:11:58 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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Tori Boyles, right, wheels herself to class Oct. 3, 2006, at Mill Creek Elementary school in Columbia, Mo. When Boyles takes a test at school, an adult often reads the questions to her because the nine-year-old, who has spina bifida, has learning disabilities that make reading difficult. Such accommodation generally is not allowed for the reading test public school students take under the federal No Child Left Behind law - nor is skipping the exam. (AP Photo/L.G. Patterson)


2 posted on 02/10/2007 4:13:27 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: leda

What where you just saying about Kevin being stuck in EASL?

Think the school was kooking the books?


3 posted on 02/10/2007 4:16:32 PM PST by patton (Sanctimony frequently reaps its own reward.)
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To: NormsRevenge

A couple of our schools are in trouble because of the "recent Immigrant" population scores. The government says that students whose first language is other than language must be able to read, write, and comprehend English--I believe within 3 years of enrolling in public schools. Some kids are bright enough to be able to do that. A significant number are simply unable to pick up a second language that quickly. Doesn't matter, though--the federal government says that they must. Unfortunately, the government does send schools a magic wand to accompany the mandate.


4 posted on 02/10/2007 4:20:02 PM PST by Clara Lou (Hillary: We're going to take some things from you on behalf of the common good. [2004])
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Oops--it should read whose first language is other than English.
5 posted on 02/10/2007 4:22:55 PM PST by Clara Lou (Hillary: We're going to take some things from you on behalf of the common good. [2004])
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The Commonwealth of Virginia may opt out of NCLB - and just forfeit the Federal funds. So many of our schools here would pass the state assessments if it were not for restrictions on testing of sped and immigrants.

If a kid comes into this country literate in their own language, they should be able to catch up to English pretty well in 3 years. But the overwhelming majority come here illiterate in their native language with no sound-symbol knowledge. They cannot learn English in 3 years - not well enough to be tested at grade level.

Something needs to be done to make the testing reasonable.

6 posted on 02/10/2007 4:26:45 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

What part of 'No Child' don't they understand? Jeez, 2014 is seven years off, and they're already lowering the bar.


7 posted on 02/10/2007 4:37:11 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: SoftballMominVA
But the overwhelming majority come here illiterate in their native language
I agree that many arrive having had little or no education in their country of origin, but can't agree that it's an "overwhelming majority." I agree that 3 years is not enough to get these kids up to speed in a second language.

We have a 13 year-old student who arrived from Mexico with no education whatsoever. No matter--we're responsible for getting him up to speed in 3 years. It's ridiculous. Grrrr.

8 posted on 02/10/2007 4:38:00 PM PST by Clara Lou (Hillary: We're going to take some things from you on behalf of the common good. [2004])
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You think fewer immigrants are coming across the border in the next 7 years? This is a problem that is not going away, but getting much worse.


9 posted on 02/10/2007 4:42:10 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: NormsRevenge
Severely handicapped children do not belong in a public school. They should be able to live comfortably with out the stress of trying to be normal. I think it is cruel to try. Those who are truly unfortunate would have more resources if they were not filtered through the public schools. As a wealthy nation we should try to help folks be happy. They should not even have to worry about some damn silly test or earning a living.
12 posted on 02/10/2007 4:55:48 PM PST by Mark was here (You are guilty of something when you do it, proving your guilt is something else.)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Then dump the program. Stratifying is no better than tracking, and we didn't need federal money to do it.


13 posted on 02/10/2007 4:57:41 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: Mark was here

"As a wealthy nation we should try to help folks be happy'

Tell me you didn't mean to say that.


14 posted on 02/10/2007 4:59:21 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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That is what the General Assembly is going to vote on. The question is "Is the money that VA gets from NCLB worth the hassle of conforming to the testing standards?" From what I've been told, the amount of $$ from the Feds is pretty low and there is a chance the General Assembly will vote us out of it, but we'll see I reckon.


15 posted on 02/10/2007 5:00:00 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: Mark was here

You are really cruel. Perhaps institutionalizing them will make you feel better?


16 posted on 02/10/2007 5:00:39 PM PST by shoebooty
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To: Mark was here
Under IDEA which was passed in 1974 and reauthorized by every president since Carter, all special needs children are guaranteed a free education with their peers, in their least restrictive environment until the year in which they turn 22 (providing that the birth date does not fall before 10-31).

Until the congress has the backbone to change this law, what you or I think doesn't much matter. Only the law does. And trust me, there are lawyers out there that can drain every drop of milk out of that tired ol' pig called the Federal Government.

17 posted on 02/10/2007 5:03:16 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: BobS

Folks seem to get so overwrought regarding this debate.
"Mainstreaming" is the educational equivalent of socialism in my humble opinion.

Everyone suffers, these were not the ideas of the legislature in the beginning.

We are all different, and each of our substream of students deserves the best, therefore kids should be able to compete upon a basis that challenges them. Try challenging them.. the genetic sense of competition is in all of us despite our differences.
JMHO. as a Mom


19 posted on 02/10/2007 5:13:50 PM PST by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: BobS

Dear Bob,
Be careful what you post. Someone might think that you're a dirty old man with a one-track mind, particularly since your post has nothing to do with this thread.


20 posted on 02/10/2007 5:20:18 PM PST by Clara Lou (Hillary: We're going to take some things from you on behalf of the common good. [2004])
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