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Not a pardonable offense (Border Patrol Barf Alert)
San Diego tribune ^
| 02/10/2007
| Ruben Navarrette
Posted on 02/10/2007 2:05:41 PM PST by TheeOhioInfidel
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To: F.J. Mitchell
Well said. What we need to be outraged at is the pardoning of a foreign drug pusher in order to prosecute two American citizen Border Patrol agents. People aren't sufficiently outraged at the very idea of foreigners pushing drugs here. Why are we so "understanding" of such low lifes when they get winged by an LEO? That's the whole basis of prosecution. A foreign dope pusher with a minor bullet wound to the butt
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posted on
02/10/2007 5:06:17 PM PST
by
dennisw
(What one man can do another can do -- "The Edge")
To: napscoordinator
I read my post again... I did not blast you. And no, I'm not upset nor do I feel guilty about anything.
I questioned you reaching a conclusion based on the limited information presented in this article because 1) the article posted had a very large "BARF ALERT" written next to it (which should have been a clue) 2) Ruben Navarette is a well known Leftist COLUMN Writer, not a news source (Yes, even leftists get their works posted at FR--that doesn't mean you should believe them!) and 3) there have been at least 100 threads on the border agents posted, many of them with facts (from both sides of the issue), and others that *twist* the information to misrepresent the truth (this one clearly falls in the latter category).
As I said... please do some more research.
Send you more information? There is way too much, but start here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=borderagents
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posted on
02/10/2007 5:10:09 PM PST
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
To: TheeOhioInfidel
Rep. Brian Bilbray, R-Solana Beach - who used to be a lobbyist for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a nativist organization that wants to limit even legal immigration - quipped that, since Bush wants amnesty for 12 million illegal immigrants, he should simply add two more names to the list.Basically, Bilbray lumped together former Border Patrol agents with illegal immigrants.
I agree. The border patrol agents don't deserve to be lumped in with the criminal aliens flooding across our southern border on a daily basis.
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posted on
02/10/2007 5:23:19 PM PST
by
NapkinUser
(Free Ramos and Compean! Disbarment for the Nifong-wannabe Johnny Sutton.)
To: dennisw
Thanks dennisw.
I don't know what brain eating disease is afflicting so many of our fellow Americans, but I am praying that a new miracle drug to combat it is found soon.
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posted on
02/10/2007 5:27:08 PM PST
by
F.J. Mitchell
(Democrats: Too dumb to lead, too vain to follow, too egotistical to get the hell out of the way!)
To: F.J. Mitchell
I just wanted to get that fact about how Gov employees who carry weapons are always trained to police up the brass after firing their weapons, for all those who see this act as evidence they were trying to cover up a crime. Interesting--thanks for posting. I remember reading (I think) that Compean said something like "it was reflex"... or habit... and that it was his common practice when at the shooting range to pick up his spent casings. It is also interesting to note that after 5 years on the job, Compean had never shot at anyone before this incident.
I tried to find where I read that, to no avail.
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posted on
02/10/2007 5:27:51 PM PST
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
To: TheeOhioInfidel
The Constitutional Power of a President to Pardon is explicit. A "Pardonable Offense" is whatever the President says it is.
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posted on
02/10/2007 5:28:55 PM PST
by
BnBlFlag
(Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
To: calcowgirl
Well then, that changes things, doesn't it?
To: michigander; napscoordinator
I guess you believe it is ok to lie. Well, if this story is correct, some people do.
And this one, too.
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posted on
02/10/2007 5:33:57 PM PST
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
To: calcowgirl
We will just have to keep digging for nuggets of fact among all the BS.
For the life of me, I can't understand why the President is dragging his feet in pardoning these guys, knowing just as well as we do, the danger they are in.
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posted on
02/10/2007 5:39:55 PM PST
by
F.J. Mitchell
(Democrats: Too stupid to lead, too vain to follow, too egotistical to get the hell out of the way!)
To: F.J. Mitchell
I'd much rather see them exonerated than pardoned. While a pardon would be expedient, it still carries the taint of guilt. A pardon would also allow all of the other deeds to be swept under the rug--the overzealous prosecution, lies from the OIG, etc. I want these people investigated and prosecuted! Unless they clean this up, the border patrol will be neutered from doing their jobs, for fear of their own government!
Okay... I'm off my soapbox, lol. I agree... digging for facts is the name of the game. I certainly never expect to find them in a Navarrette article, though. LOL.
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posted on
02/10/2007 5:44:50 PM PST
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
To: DaveyB
"I don't trust them anymore, I just can't figure out why the press would!"
Because carrying a gun is a conservative type thing. Remember, most of the leftists WANT guns banned from the public.
Check it out. I bet the DA is a democrat.
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posted on
02/10/2007 5:47:37 PM PST
by
JSteff
To: TheeOhioInfidel
Note that in the article none of the Reps wanting the BP agents released are dems. The dems will do anything to hinder border control and you will not see any of them working to defend our borders.
Border control is almost wholly a Republican thing. The dems want all the new voters they can get.
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posted on
02/10/2007 5:51:42 PM PST
by
JSteff
To: TheeOhioInfidel
Note that in the article none of the Reps wanting the BP agents released are dems. The dems will do anything to hinder border control and you will not see any of them working to defend our borders.
Border control is almost wholly a Republican thing. The dems want all the new voters they can get.
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posted on
02/10/2007 5:51:46 PM PST
by
JSteff
To: dennisw
"My morals are this: Deport illegal aliens. Put Mexican drug dealers in prison. That's what the US Attorney should be doing. Instead he blows his limited resources on prosecuting Border Patrol agents." Amen Brother.
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posted on
02/10/2007 5:57:10 PM PST
by
TheeOhioInfidel
(ATTENTION: THERE IS A REAL CONSERVATIVE RUNNING IN '08: DUNCAN HUNTER)
To: calcowgirl
Agreed, exoneration is preferable to a pardon, just as long as they are protected during the process, so they live to enjoy it.
They should also be moved closer to home in the meantime, so it is not such a burden upon their family's to visit them.
LOL! I never before read a Navarrette article, but just this once convinces me that looking for facts in his articles is a waste of time.
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posted on
02/10/2007 6:05:35 PM PST
by
F.J. Mitchell
(Democrats: Too stupid to lead, too vain to follow, too egotistical to get the hell out of the way!)
To: F.J. Mitchell
Oh, I should have listed my order of priorities:
1) Immediate transfer to a minimum security (club-fed type) prison.
2) Favorable 5th circuit ruling on appeal to remain free on bond pending appeal
3) Full investigation.... Skinner, Sanchez&Sanchez, etc.
4) Appeal
Well, you get the idea. LOL.
As to Navarrette, looking for anything other than the Aztlan view is probably wasting your time. And some people questioned my use of the word "twist".
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posted on
02/10/2007 6:14:58 PM PST
by
calcowgirl
("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
To: calcowgirl
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posted on
02/10/2007 6:18:15 PM PST
by
F.J. Mitchell
(Democrats: Too stupid to lead, too vain to follow, too egotistical to get the hell out of the way!)
To: JSteff
":Note that in the article none of the Reps wanting the BP agents released are dems. The dems will do anything to hinder border control and you will not see any of them working to defend our borders." Yeah, what's up with that? I've always just considered myself a conservative not beholden to any party, but man who would want to ever vote for a pro-illegal Dem crew like that. What do you figure - 98% of Dems and 33% of GOP love illegal immigration?
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posted on
02/10/2007 7:58:00 PM PST
by
TheeOhioInfidel
(ATTENTION: THERE IS A REAL CONSERVATIVE RUNNING IN '08: DUNCAN HUNTER)
To: TheeOhioInfidel
A typical Ruben Navarrette la Raza piece.
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posted on
02/10/2007 9:29:43 PM PST
by
Pelham
(California, Mexico's HMO)
To: TheeOhioInfidel
According to the evidence presented at the trial, including the agents' testimony and their statements after the incident, here are the facts. Do we know what was presented at trial? Really? Love to know.
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