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Report: Agents in border shooting lied
AP on Yahoo ^ | 2/7/07 | Alicia C. Caldwell and Suzanne Gamboa - ap

Posted on 02/07/2007 8:18:59 PM PST by NormsRevenge

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To: philman_36
Let's see....

We have a federal prosecutor, BP supervisors, DHS mid-level management all saying any number of contradictory things. Hmmm....me thinks this goes much further up the food chain. Someone is in need of some serious CYA and I bet it is related to higher officials on the drug cartels payrolls.

Of course, we will never know for sure. Anna Nicole Smith's death will occupy the press for weeks to come and this story will dry up and get swept under a rug.
61 posted on 02/08/2007 2:20:34 PM PST by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: NapkinUser

Where's the headline screaming:

"Homeland Security Officials Lied To Congress, Inspector General admits"


62 posted on 02/08/2007 2:22:43 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: spectre

There's no healing process. Till hell freezes over and then we'll fight on ice.


63 posted on 02/08/2007 2:30:19 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: editor-surveyor

hubris


64 posted on 02/08/2007 2:31:24 PM PST by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: normy

Of course, because no police officer has ever lied about seeing a gun in a suspect's hands after they are accused of shooting without cause.

The "lie" that is being advanced here by the government is bad information given to congressman about what investigative documents they could provide regarding the case.

It's not acceptable, but by itself does not relate to the trial and conviction of the agents.

If there are witnesses who lied on the stand, that would be an important point. We don't have the transcript, but both defendants and thier lawyers were at the trial (as I imagine was one of their union representatives, but I don't know that for a fact).

So if there were obvious lies told at the trial, we would know about them, and we'd have the names of the witnesses that lied.

Instead, what we have is a smear campaign on the character of the witnesses that testified against him. When you have to smear your accusers, it usually means you don't have a direct refutation of their testimony.

The closest thing we've seen in print to refute anything is a preliminary report that the bullet could not positively be matched to the gun of Ramos. Unfortunately, that isn't meaningful to the case, because Ramos stipulated that the bullet was from his gun, which suggests nobody really had a doubt about it. Plus Compean got more time than Ramos, and Compean didn't even hit the guy. Just shooting at him was considered a crime.

BTW, I'm less certain of Ramos's guilt than Compean, and the fact they got about the same time suggests something in the court record that the defendants are NOT leaking to us. Compean is the one that was lying in wait, and purportedly attempted to strike the man while he was surrendering.

Ramos could make the argument that he heard shots, ran over the hill, saw Compean bleeding, thought he had been shot, saw the defendant turning toward him, and shot back in self defense.

There is some reason he is tied to Compean in this case, and I bet someone knows what it is, but I don't.


65 posted on 02/08/2007 2:59:51 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Islander7
Anna Nicole Smith's death will occupy the press for weeks to come and this story will dry up and get swept under a rug.
One would think that a certain amount of priority would enter into people's minds about which story, ultimately, has the more direct consequences in their lives and IMO Anna's death isn't it. Her toils and torments have ended while ours yet remain.
Unfortunately we live in a world where the cult of personality reigns court and you're probably right, though for the sake of those two men I hope not.
66 posted on 02/08/2007 11:59:25 PM PST by philman_36
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Reasonable doubt. The govt is trying too hard to convict. You taking the side of a govt that already lied to convict is despicable. Republican or not, this govt needs to pardon these two.


67 posted on 02/09/2007 4:21:28 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: normy

Show me a lie the government told in the court, and I'll consider your complaint. Telling congress you have a document and later finding you don't have it is something for congress to take up with the agency. It has nothing to do with the case or the agents.


68 posted on 02/09/2007 6:13:18 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Telling the jury these two had said they "wanted to shoot a Mexican" while portraying the drug dealer as a saint is a lie and dishonest.


69 posted on 02/09/2007 9:21:49 AM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: normy

How do you know the jury was told they "wanted to shoot a mexican"? Having not seen the transcript, I don't know what was presented during the case. Sutton said he didn't use an investigative report as evidence, but had people testify.

So if it WAS presented, it's because they found a witness willing to testify under oath that he heard them say that. If so, how do we know the witness was lying? All we know is that the government doesn't have some documentation of that statement that they said they had.

I doubt anybody presented a drug smuggler with immunity as a "saint".


70 posted on 02/09/2007 9:56:25 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: normy

These guys have been convicted already. (past tense) Did you expect the AUSA's not to do their jobs and not try convict? I guess if did, then you would be complaining of the waste of gov't funds.


71 posted on 02/09/2007 10:59:04 PM PST by erton1
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To: Mr. Mojo

"It's tough going when the MSM, all Democrat politicians, and many Republican politicians are all on the same (criminal) side."

Globalists Elite


72 posted on 02/10/2007 11:46:36 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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