Rudy on gun control: "You've got to REGULATE consistent with the Second Amendment"

FOX News ^ | Feb 6, 2007 | Hanity and Colmes

[Ancesthntr]

With roughly 1,300 posts, I'm probably repeating what others have said, but...I will not vote for someone who uses the word "regulate" in its modern sense regarding the 2nd Amendment. "Well-regulated" in the 2nd Amendment referred to a disciplined or orderly body of militia, not to regulations propounded by governments that restrict freedoms or liberties.

Knowing Rudy, his definition of "regulation" regarding firearms is the modern one, and thus the passage of any law or regulation that had some rational basis would be good enough for him...but not for me. You see, the 2nd Amendment protects basic rights, and any laws challenged thereunder have to be subjected not to the "rational relation" test, but to "strict scrutiny." Such an evaluation of firearms laws would, if done honestly, result in over 90% of them being tossed out as violative of the 2nd Amendment. Something tells me that Rudy doesn't agree with me, and so I'll vote for someone else.

[Trailerpark Badass]

Somehow I dont think placing a howitzer in my back pocket is going to help.

Do you realize how stupid that made you sound?

[ctdonath2]

Wouldn't have gotten that far, and certainly wouldn't have gotten French help, without being self-equipped.

Interesting you note the Americans were able to capture high ground and the british had to leave because of the American cannon. Obviously they wouldn't have managed that without cannons. Surely it would have helped to have had more cannons!
...so why then can't I have a howitzer? sure wouldn't be able to buy one when needed...

[Dave S]

It's at the end of #1236. Polite and interesting discussion warrants answering questions

Polite and interesting discussion includes calling me psychotic? Identifying kids is damn easy. Drivers license and the database setup for gun purchases (not sure if it still exists). Database for psychotics and others suffering from mental illness. Not all states report but some is better than non. I'm sure NY would provide its list. :-)

As for saying the list could be outdated and someone could be cured. How many psychotics do you know that have ever been cured. They might be maintained if on drugs but you know how some dont like to take their drugs and then they are out living on the streets again.

[Beagle8U]

"Lastly, thanks for a good conversation in the midst of this contentious issue."

Well, I'm willing to explain the reasons why he should never be thought of as an option but most just start screaming and wont even listen.

I thank you for taking the time to read it.

I've worked at the grassroots for the RNC and the state party for many years. I know the voters in the area and what their reaction will be on those issues. They are willing to vote if they have something to vote for.

[Apogee]

"And it didn't work out very well for those rag tag farmers until the French fleet, with their big cannon, blockaded Cornwallis at Yorktown. ... the British had to leave because of the American cannon."
This would seem to make the case that citizens have a greater need for the heavy artillery, and therefore an expansion of our right to carry rather than restriction, don't you think?

[ctdonath2]

I'm amused that he mentions having a howitzer as a snide remark, then describes how a significant Revolutionary War battle was won precisely because our side had the 1770s equivalent of one.

[68 grunt]

Dudette :)

I'm not a Rudy supporter. I'm a Hunter supporter, but I don't want the Rudy supporters alienated. I've promised to support the most conservative (Hunter) in the primary. I hope it is he who I am supporting during the general. I will vote for Rudy in the general if that is the situation.

Rudy supporters can be just as alienating as the extremes and those abusers need to have their case jumped, too.

You must admit that the media finds it very easy to tar all conservatives by the noise made by a few.

[ctdonath2]

I certainly think so. Where do I buy one (seriously)?

[Convert]

New York has gun control - terrorists hit New York
Gun control will not help national security

[OMalley]

Well hello fellow Hunter supporter:)

I apolize for my assumption!

Yes, I agree, the media does take the few and make issue with them to reflect poorly on the party. Unfortunalty, for the most part they single out the social conservatives as the whackjobs.

Which would mean we need to be VERY careful about what we say and let the other folks make whackjobs of themselves. for the most part I think we are doing pretty good:)

[tpaine]

We will get few rational answers from a man who questions that our right to carry arms is the 'Law of the Land', --- and, - like Rudy, -- thinks its OK that "-- It's a felony to carry a firearm in Federal offices and on public school property. Airports too. Try it and see what rights you have. --"

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ctdonath2

I know. But it's interesting to see how he deals with reasonable questions.



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Dave S reiterates:

It's a felony to carry a firearm in Federal offices and on public school property. Airports too. Try it and see what rights you have. --"

Assuming you are NOT a law enforcement officer, I dare you to walk into any of the aforementioned places with your weapon clearly visible. See how many rights you have to do whatever you damn well please then. Remember if you do, I'm not responsible for your stupidity.


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Of course you aren't dave. -- You're only responsible for your own; -- which is insisting that the feds 'laws' are constitutional. - Rudy is proud of you. - The Brady Bunch is proud of you. -- FR is not.

Can you answer my initial reasonable comment/question to you?

Our right to carry arms is the 'Law of the Land". -- So yes, businessmen are obligated to support & defend the 2nd, as is everyone that lives & works in the USA. [comment dave?]

[Apogee]

I wouldn't know, unfortunately. Seems we ought to be able to outfit whole ships for war, as letters of marque were granted way back when. 'Course, I can't afford one personally - yet...

[68 grunt]

... Which would mean we need to be VERY careful about what we say and let the other folks make whackjobs of themselves. for the most part I think we are doing pretty good:)

I think some moderates and rhinos get mileage by distancing themselves from the social conservatives because it is the social conservatives who are characterized by caricature. I would like to negate the moderate gains from this by preemptively distancing ourselves from the extreme and irrational voices among us. The counsel of these voices is advice for defeat anyway.

[OMalley]

agreed:)

[trisham]

I started using it for IDPA. I noticed I have to memorize the trigger pull from the single action pistols to the double action revolver. I'm having a bit of trouble when I switch guns from stage to stage. It would be easier if I just shot the entire match with just one gun and then switched. Their rules apply.

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I've only been to pistol and rifle club for practice. I'd never aspire to shoot in competition, but I sure do admire those who can. I have fun practicing, and feel much safer being comfortable with my gun.

The S&W 686 is a very smooth gun and very accurate.

[trisham]

Yes. I've also been to a few places that carry S&W. They make some lovely firearms.

[stockstrader]

I agree 100%.

If you want to split the Republican Party for the next election,,,

RUDY IS JUST THE MAN FOR THE JOB!!!!

[Publius Valerius]

And won because of better strategy. I agree that the French played an important role in the Revolution, but much less so in the War of 1812, in which American farmers once again beat the British.

Your examples just go to show how a group of people, who are out-manned or out-"soldiered" can win by outthinking an opponent. You sort of prove my point, Dave.

[dcwusmc]

THIS question: "Would you say that YOU should be disarmed?"