No, Republicans are NOT okay with ripping human babies limb from limb!

National Right to Life ^ | Feb 14, 2003

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Dear Father, hear and bless
Thy beasts and singing birds
And guard with tenderness
Small things that have no words
Amen

[AuH2ORepublican]

"If the baby is viable, or stands a chance of viability, then it should be delivered, not aborted."

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Partial-birth abortions are only carried out on late-term, viable babies. And the fact that the abortionist actually commences the delivery process proves that delivering the baby (all the way, as opposed to half-way as the abortionist does before killing the baby) does not pose an additional risk to the woman's health (much less her life). Rudy's excuses for his support of that barbaric practice are just that---excuses.

[AuH2ORepublican]

Newt Gingrich is, and has always been, 100% pro-life.

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I'm not so sure he would be a great deterrent to the terrorists - after all they attcked while he was mayor

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Can't we recruit Tony Snow to run?

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No one is nominated yet

I"ve yet to hear a respected m d who specializes in ob or pediatrics say that partial birth abortion is safer than a
c section or that it is necessary to save the life of the mother

That's the "reproductive health"(un speak for abortion and sexual rights for children) argument

[Mia T]

It is patently obvious: If the mother is bleeding to death, surgery would be contraindicated.

We must face the ethical dilemma head on. Not head in sand.

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Rudy's excuses for his support of that barbaric practice are just that---excuses. And antiquated for that matter It's comparable to "bleeding the patient" and knocking women out with ether drip at delivery or smoking to remain calm during pregnancy

[Mia T]

Moreover, even if what you say is accurate, (and I say one cannot be sure it is) what harm is there, in an abundance of caution, to include the exception? If you are right, the exception would never be invoked.

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If the mother is bleeding to death, surgery would be contraindicated. A c section would be indicated and is generally the quickest, safest way to help the mother and baby A paertial birth would probably kill the mother in this case or at least complicate matters

[T'wit]

The poll question asks about "a specific abortion procedure," referring to partial-birth abortion. That puts a spotlight on the real meaning of the word "abortion." Nobody can misunderstand. Nobody can pass it off with such terms as "choice" or "termination" or "a clump of tissue."

Abortion means killing a baby. Nothing less, nothing more, nothing else. Killing a baby.

[T'wit]

>> Everyone knows a politician is as good as his word.

Exactly why I distrust all of them :-)

[Mia T]

That is correct, JThomas. See my posts 154 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1780895/posts?page=154#154

and 159
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1780895/posts?page=159#159

Life sometimes serves up ethical dilemmas. We must face this ethical dilemma head on, not head in sand.

[T'wit]

>> "bait & Swith"

Sounds like a law firm in Biloxi that sells minnows on the side.

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It is patently obvious: If the mother is bleeding to death, surgery would be contraindicated Partail birth abortion is not an immediate emergent procedure -it requires dialation, turning the baby, and reaching inside the birth canal with a pair of scissors sharp enough to puncture the baby's neck go through the base of the skull then insert a vacuum extrator to suck out the baby's brain - why would you do this to a woman who is bleeding to death?

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Partial birth abortion is not an immediate emergent procedure it requires dilation, turning the baby, and reaching inside the birth canal with a pair of scissors sharp enough to puncture the baby's neck go through the base of the skull then insert a vacuum extractor to suck out the baby's brain - why would you do this to a woman who is bleeding to death?

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O - you think I think abortion is okay - you are stuck in the seventies

[Mia T]

What is your basis for this (IMO frankly absurd) claim?

Making patently false statements is not the way to win this--or any--argument.

But as I said, even if what you claim is provably true, it is impossible to say that there does not exist a medical scenario that satisfies the exception.

It is, therefore, the ethically proper decision to include the exception. (The mother's life is precious, too.)

And if you are right, the exception will never be invoked.

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You weant to leave it in to protect physicians from incompetence?