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Texas Girls Will Get HPV Vaccine
News Observer ^ | 02/03/07 | Liz Austin Peterson

Posted on 02/05/2007 7:13:36 AM PST by Froufrou

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To: MeanWestTexan

Somehow it makes a big difference when you are one of the unimportant "very few".


81 posted on 02/05/2007 8:57:05 AM PST by Politicalmom ("Always vote for principle...and your vote is never lost."-John Quincy Adams)
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To: MeanWestTexan

MMR shots have come under close scrutiny in recent years.

Measles mumps and rubella are not as terrible as Autism.

Yeah ,whatever sums up nicely your attitude towards Texas school children.

The pharmaceutical company should be required to at least pay the parents for using their children as test subjects.

Then again, they would have the money to do such a thing.


82 posted on 02/05/2007 8:57:32 AM PST by perseid 67 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet.)
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To: almcbean

"While HPV may lead to cancer, the vaccine is only necessary if we say to our daughters "go ahead, be a slut."

Or their future husbands be 100% faithful before and during marriage. Or his ex-wife be faithful -- even though she's an ex-wife because she ran around on him, etc.

There are all sorts of ways to be 'innocent' and catch this disease, in particular, as men carry it, but are not affected by it.


83 posted on 02/05/2007 8:59:18 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: almcbean

"While HPV may lead to cancer, the vaccine is only necessary if we say to our daughters "go ahead, be a slut."

Or their future husbands be 100% faithful before and during marriage. Or his ex-wife be faithful -- even though she's an ex-wife because she ran around on him, etc.

There are all sorts of ways to be 'innocent' and catch this disease, in particular, as men carry it, but are not affected by it.


84 posted on 02/05/2007 8:59:21 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: Politicalmom

"Somehow it makes a big difference when you are one of the unimportant "very few"."

Of course you are correct.

But the governor is the governor for ALL the people, and he, therefore, has to look at the 17,000.

It's not a pleasant choice, but a correct choice, just like sending boys to war so that we might live free is the correct choice.


85 posted on 02/05/2007 9:03:03 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: highball
"I think the vaccine is a good idea. But I don't think that the state has the right to impose every good idea on its citizens."

Now we can agree on this, not that it is necessary. What you or any other parent, or citizen who is "concerned" about HPV, thinks about the vaccine, that decision needs to be made between the parents after consulting with their trusted physician -- not some elected lawyer (aka politician) or appointed one (aka judge).

Parent's have had most of their decisions regarding their own children stolen by The State (Communist Style), now they have lost one more very important right - why, because of a political contribution.

This action is another nail in the head of totalitarian government replacing a democratic republic.

86 posted on 02/05/2007 9:04:50 AM PST by zerosix
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To: perseid 67

"Yeah,whatever sums up nicely" my attidude toward conspiracy nuts (oh! big corporations!) and luddite objections.

Replace "Merk" with "Halliburton" and this could be a thread on the Democratic Underground.


87 posted on 02/05/2007 9:07:17 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan

No ill effects except for penile cancer and genital warts...


88 posted on 02/05/2007 9:11:14 AM PST by DalcoTX
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To: MeanWestTexan
Oh fine!

I will not bar you from using a vaccine that is relatively untested on your own spawn.

In fact maybe, I would honor your bravery, if maybe their was not the slight probability of severe consequences far down the line.

Unfortunately, you would be a creep not a hero if twenty years from now this vaccine made your daughters infertile.

Doing this on a state level looks like the elites are abusing the unwashed masses again.
89 posted on 02/05/2007 9:11:19 AM PST by perseid 67 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet.)
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To: perseid 67

You really don't understand how vaccines work, do you?


90 posted on 02/05/2007 9:17:27 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: HitmanLV

I know there are no guarantees in life, however the message that parents send their kids is an extremely important factor in their behavior. The culture bombards them everyday with the message that promiscuity is OK. It's a battle where we as parents are greatly outnumbered. I choose not to surrender.

I have an 11 year old daughter. She probably knows nothing about this vaccine. What reason do you give her if she asks why she needs this vaccine? There is no coherent answer you can give which does not carry with it the condoning of the behavior. We don't need another "here's a condom, don't use it type message" - they don't work.

Further, HPV isn't the sole horrific consequence of promiscuous behavior. This vaccine is being marketed as a panacea, and young minds will get the impression that they are "safe" when they are not.

The bottom line is "safe sex" is a myth. I once asked the Executive Director" of a pregnancy care center what percentage of their pregnant clients were taking birth control and she said "2/3"

Please don't surrender to the culture. You may think you are protecting your children but you really aren't. They may not get HPV, but there's still pregnancy, abortion and about 27 other STD'S


91 posted on 02/05/2007 9:21:10 AM PST by almcbean
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To: DalcoTX

That's really from rare "gay versions" (being somewhat sarcastic) of the disease.

http://www.thehpvtest.com/HPV-for-men-FAQ.html


92 posted on 02/05/2007 9:21:13 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan

While the penile cancers are rare, HPV often does cause genital warts.


93 posted on 02/05/2007 9:23:15 AM PST by DalcoTX
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To: MeanWestTexan

"Or their future husbands be 100% faithful before and during marriage".

That's the idea.


94 posted on 02/05/2007 9:24:30 AM PST by almcbean
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To: almcbean
There is no coherent answer you can give which does not carry with it the condoning of the behavior.

"This is a kind of medicine which helps your body fight a certain kind of bug that women can get that could give them cancer later in life."

That's coherent and doesn't condone the behavior.

95 posted on 02/05/2007 9:26:10 AM PST by HitmanLV ("I mean, that's a storybook, man!")
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To: almcbean

Did she ask why she was given the Hep B vaccine? Did she ask why she was being given the MMR vaccine? What about DPT?


96 posted on 02/05/2007 9:27:17 AM PST by DalcoTX
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To: MeanWestTexan

You own stock in Merk. Don't you.

Right now, if I owned stock in such an ethically challenged company, I would be worried.

Only , I would not be attacking those who disagree with their tactics.

I would dump their stock.

You may have other more sinister reasons for wanting to abuse Texas girls.


97 posted on 02/05/2007 9:27:19 AM PST by perseid 67 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet.)
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To: HitmanLV

When science meets ideology, science always loses. What happens is ideology takes science out for a drink and while science is drinking Grey Goose, ideology is sipping watered down rum and cokes. At the end of the evening, as they are leaving, ideology picks science's pocket and then lures it out to the back alley where six bikers beat it with pipes.


98 posted on 02/05/2007 9:29:23 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: almcbean

With something like 50% of American men being carriers of HPV (read the link above), that is the idea, but not, alas, the cruel reality.

Boys will be boys, even the ones that eventually grow up to be good men and husbands.


99 posted on 02/05/2007 9:29:24 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: almcbean
Except, you can not control other people. You can only prepare for the life you want. Putting your future fertility and even your life in someone else's hands is risky.
100 posted on 02/05/2007 9:30:45 AM PST by DalcoTX
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