Posted on 02/04/2007 11:08:45 AM PST by Clintonfatigued
And aborting a fetus prior to "viability" is not murder, right? Same DNA, same brainwave and beating heart, but by TorieFiat, voila, not murder.
What a concept!
Well, the Muslims are getting just better and better, as they get less gay every day.
"Bush's and republican poll numbers have gone down since the Schiavo spectacle, and haven't budged up. Many people across the board don't want these rights taken away."
Do you REALLY think Bush's poll numbers have gone down since Schiavo issue?????????????
I don't think it should be made the crime of murder, no. If you limited your characterization of my views as to just some abortions, then you would be more accurate. I know you would not agree with me as to my views, even once you got around to accurately characterizing them. Such is life.
What we call "the culture war" belongs in the culture, not the political system of the Supreme Court. They should stay out of it.
Dear Torie,
"That is a different issue from what God thinks is an abomination."
Well, I'm a Catholic. Homosexual behavior is an abomination, but homosexuals aren't. Homosexual orientation is an objective moral disorder, but homosexuals are just persons.
Similarly, alcoholic behavior is an awful thing, but an alcoholic is still a person. Someone with with a severe personality disorder, someone who is a sociopath or a psychopath, who rapes and murders violently and without provocation commits an abomination, but the individual who commits the act is still a human being.
If you're sticking to "abomination," then only a few of the items on my list of disorders with potential genetic components qualify. But a few do qualify.
But if you're looking a little more broadly, whether attributes with which we're born can be wrong, evil, broken, or disordered, then I think pretty much my whole list works well.
And thus, even if homosexuality has a genetic component, that is not a basis for deciding it isn't a disordered orientation, or that homosexual behavior isn't an abomination.
If there is a genetic component to homosexuality, it doesn't give license to "gay pride" or justify "gay marriage," adoption of children by homosexuals, or any other special privileges for homosexuals.
It's just one more piece of evidence, at least to us Catholics, of the effects of Original Sin in the world.
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If you're worried about Rudy on Federal Judges, the Republicans in Congerss and the conservative grass roots will keep his feet to the fire. He may be a RINO, but he's not going to intentionally harm himself politically.
Also, Guiliani has strongly praised Bush's appointments of John Roberts and Samuel Alito.
From my understanding, I think that is an accurate characterization of Catholic theology. But as you know, I'm not Catholic, and don't believe in, or agree with, much of that theology.
LOL, you do not consider abortion murder except under your own definitions. You grab at 'science' to support that odd point of view. It is just as odd, in it's own way, as those who support partial birth abortion but not infanticide. There is a line - on PBA, it is birth. In Torie-land it is a vague concept called 'viability' (which gets earlier with each new neo-natal advance). One one side of the line, it is OK to kill, on the other it is not.
Although Rudy was good for NYC, he is still a RINO and he is pro Abortion to boot. The Republican Party does not need that. Look what happend in 2006 when we had a bunch of RINOs running the show. We lost both houses and no, it was not because of the War in Iraq.
Not really. They've simply slipped even further down the societal sewer. They're at the "next stage," like Germany was in the Thirties and early Forties. In the Twenties, social mores collapsed in Germany and homosexuality and other forms of human degradation became rampant. The Third Reich followed. It always happens to societies that thumb their collective noses at the True and Living God, and call what He calls evil "good."
Y'all keep talking about this hypothetical perfect candidate. Who is it?
I beleive in a continuum on the issue, not quite as you describe (second trimester abortions should be viewed differently in the law than first trimester abortions), but good enough. I have not kept these views secret, any more than my views about gays, and most regular posters are familiar with both.
You don't think conservatives are buying that BS, do you?
OK. It is all clear to me now. Thanks.
+ Me, I will err on the side of LIFE. To debate where on a curve life is valuable and where it can be discarded for any reason is offensive. Life is valuable. All men have the very image of Our Lord in them. The meanest amongst us is no less than the very best.
"Rudy will not appoint a single judge who he fears might overturn law he holds sacrosanct - like Roe v. Wade"
or a judge that might rule to keep marriage between a man and a woman.
It seems as if we have an enemy within the Republican Party seeking to destory conservatism.
ATENTION EVERYONE: Please read TitansAFC fantastic post #39.
He also praised Ruth Bader Ginsberg.
By the way, neither Roberts or Alito is even tested yet.
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