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Dakota Voice ^ | 1/29/2007 | Carrie K. Hutchens

Posted on 02/02/2007 3:49:53 AM PST by 8mmMauser

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To: All; floriduh voter
State Rep Dennis Baxley, Florida

TALLAHASSEE -- Dennis Baxley starts every morning in his Capitol office reading a red leather-bound Bible and selecting a Proverb for the day.

His selection on Thursday was Proverbs 20:18, "Every purpose is established by counsel, and with good advice make war."

It could serve as a credo for his legislative career. In his seventh year as a House member representing Ocala and Marion County, he has earned a spot as the Legislature's most aggressively conservative member: battling for the life of Terri Schiavo, winning a fight that allows Floridians to use guns if they feel threatened and defending the use of a state song that Gov. Charlie Crist has criticized as racist.

State Rep. Baxley goes his own way

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701 posted on 03/12/2007 4:45:53 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: pbmaltzman; T'wit; bjs1779
Re my post #689, I quote Cheryl Ford's book. It came out early and is mostly a compendium of evidence, a decent source book for the evidence paper trail from one close to the family and Terri and the events. It may be a handy resource if you are interested.

Also Ron Panzer had a fascinating audio clip on the medical anomalies, however I notice it has been dismounted. Perhaps bjs1779 has another source for it.

Michael's survival as a Teflon coated lump of evil wears heavily me, but maybe one day, the Teflon will slough off.
702 posted on 03/12/2007 4:59:37 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
Time for a periodic reminder of Scott Thomas and all he has been through. As we can see, Scott continues to make good progress and the danger, the threats fade from those who wanted to kill him. May events like this diminish as a result of the sunshine from Terri's Legacy...

Scott's News

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703 posted on 03/12/2007 5:07:19 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Alter Kaker; narses
Any who are riding the fence on Rudy and who still think his portrayal as anti-life is an exaggeration are invited to visit the thread of Alter Kaker and catch a glimpse of Rudy on youtube. Thanks, narses.

Rudy on Publicly-Financed Abortions (Must See)

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704 posted on 03/12/2007 5:13:33 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; wagglebee; BykrBayb
This thread from wagglebee is hard to read, but brings the concept of organ harvests to focus.

I always emerged from those operating rooms feeling more alive than when I had entered. I became energized by the act of operating, the hope of transplantation.

That was until my 83rd procurement. She was a 35-year-old Asian-American woman, like me. She was driving on a Southern California road when a drunken driver collided with her car. Three days later, brain-dead, on my operating table, she looked merely asleep. Her warm skin was taut, with few blemishes, and her full hips and thighs suggested a metabolism beginning to slow. Her toenails were painted pink.

The cadaver looked just like me

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705 posted on 03/12/2007 5:21:48 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; Phil Magnan; wagglebee; T'wit; narses
Ping to a Zell Miller thread by Phil Magnan on abortion.

BUDAPEST, Hungary, Mar. 12 /Christian Newswire/ -- Former U.S. Senator Zell Miller stated the obvious and compelling reality that those many needed people in America, are actually missing because of the continued practice of abortion. In an article dated March 9th, 2007, from the Atlanta-Journal Constitution, Says Zell: Military shortages, Social Security crisis, and illegal immigration all linked to abortion, Mr. Miller was speaking at a pro life fundraiser, in which he addressed the issue of the crisis that is created by abortion.

Zell Miller Has it Right, Abortion Causes Millions to Be Missing from America

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706 posted on 03/12/2007 5:42:33 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: 8mmMauser
Says Zell: Military shortages, Social Security crisis, and illegal immigration all linked to abortion,

Absolutely right! There have been over 50 MILLION abortions in the last 34 years, statistically about half of them would have been females and many of them would today be having their own children. It is axiomatic that when what amounts to an entire generation is murdered that there will be negative effects that ripple through the economy.

707 posted on 03/12/2007 5:49:42 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: T'wit
The wrong one, then. He was wooing conservatives until now... claiming his earlier liberalism was all a mistake, that he was a changed person. He should have listened to us on this one, not to the DNC.

Too bad Mitt Romney didn't give some thought to the question before answering. The correct answer should have been that Terri should have been cared for by her family, and if pushed for clarification, he should say that as far as he's concerned, Michael abandoned his marriage when he moved in with a woman not his wife, sired children by her, and pledged to marry her. Put things in those terms and I think they're pretty clear.

708 posted on 03/12/2007 6:38:49 AM PDT by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: 8mmMauser

Two words for Romnombulent: Judge Greer.


709 posted on 03/12/2007 3:21:00 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: pbmaltzman
>> I seem to recall that in some medical report about Terri somewhere, that her injuries were mentioned as being consistent with strangulation or attempted strangulation. Maybe I am misremembering.

No, your memory is fine! Among those who have suggested strangulation is the neurologist who worked longest and most closely with her, Dr. Hammesfahr. He pointed out that she had the persistent stiff neck which can readily be associated with attempted strangulation. The way I reconstruct it, Michael must have held her head down with his left hand. That is a quasi-strangulation, although the great damage must have been done by the sheer weight of him on her back, preventing her from breathing.

Terri was found face down with both arms underneath her, pointing upward towards her throat. She may have been reaching up to try to get his hand off her neck. It would have been hopeless...

I do not know if Dr. Hammesfahr ever had a chance to look at the bone scan report and reconstruct the crime using that. The damage and fractures shown by the bone scan must be accounted for in framing a theory of how Terri was injured.

And let's make no mistake, it was a crime.

710 posted on 03/12/2007 4:10:58 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: pbmaltzman
Passing note. Michael is still trying to claim that when Terri "collapsed," he ran to her and turned her over and cradled her in his arms. Sounds nice, except she was face down, as confirmed by the two non-hysterical witnesses.

He also lied to the police when they arrived, saying that things were fine between him and Terri (they weren't). He even tried to plant an explanation of suicide by telling the cops he didn't know any reason she'd be suicidal. That bit of hocus-pocus should have set off the alarms, but it didn't.

711 posted on 03/12/2007 4:20:02 PM PDT by T'wit (Visitors: the good news is, lots of people have agreed with you. The bad news is, they were Nazis.)
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To: T'wit
IIRC, There were also friends, family, and medical personnel who witnessed Michael's nasty temper, etc.

I find your scenario entirely plausible. Unfortunately, I also don't see much hope of the crime ever being thoroughly investigated and justice being done.

712 posted on 03/12/2007 9:17:42 PM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ...
More on Romney and Terri AND Haleigh Poutre: Methinks Mitt should hire more savvy staffers when he seeks someone to tell him what his opinions are...

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Tampa, FL (LifeNews.com) -- Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has been trying to connect with pro-life advocates after changing his position on abortion just a couple years ago. However, his comments on the battle over Terri Schiavo will complicate his efforts to get support from the pro-life community.

This month is the two year anniversary of Terri's death.

It was the result of a long and drawn out legal battle between her parents and family and her former husband, Michael Schiavo. He eventually won permission from the courts to subject Terri to a painful 13-day starvation and dehydration euthanasia death.

During the battle, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and the state legislature intervened on behalf of the Schindler family and passed a bill allowing Bush to prevent Michael from killing Terri.

In comments yesterday to the Bay News 9 television station in a taped interview, Romney said he disagreed with that action.

"I think it's probably best to leave these kinds of matters in the hands of the courts," Romney said.

"I generally think that it's not a good idea for courts to legislate. Nor is it great idea for legislatures to adjudicate in a specific circumstance," the former Massachusetts governor added.

The comments seem to contrast with Romney's concern for the treatment of Haleigh Poutre, a Massachusetts girl who was the victim of severe child abuse that temporarily put her in an incapacitated state.

After doctors gave up on her, Massachusetts officials tried to win court permission to euthanize her, though now she is responding and eating food on her own.

Last April, the Schindler family wrote a letter to Romney to push for a revision in state law after authorities nearly euthanized Poutre.


''Haleigh's shocking story demonstrates that much more needs to be done to protect the sick and disabled from harm, including harm imposed by courts," they said in the letter.

After the Poutre case received national attention and the young girl began to respond, Romney put together an independent panel to look into the matter. It suggested changes for how the state handles such cases including more closely investigating requests to remove life support.

Terri's brother Bobby Schindler told the Globe that this is the first case the foundation has gotten involved with to this extent.

''Basically we saw how the case was being handled, and we're very concerned with some of the things that were happening in her case," he said.

''This kind of goes at what we've been saying: Doctors are oftentimes wrong with these diagnoses that they are making, and it becomes a death sentence for these people," he added.

Related web sites:
Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation - http://www.terrisfight.org

Mitt Romney Says Govt Shouldn't Have Stopped Terri Schiavo's Euthanasia

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713 posted on 03/13/2007 3:52:11 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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No Roto Rooter is sight yet for the DSSpool...

Despite a wave of criticism against the Department of Social Services in the wake of a 4-year-old Hull girl's death, many family-law practitioners who regularly work with the agency say they do not expect DSS lawyers or case workers to change their practices.

Rebecca Riley's recent death from alleged over-medication occurred less than two years after DSS came under fire for its handling of a case in Springfield in which an 11-year-old girl, Haleigh Poutre, was discovered in a coma and presumed dead after reportedly being beaten by her adoptive parents.

While the tragic circumstances of the Riley case put DSS back in the news recently, Boston family lawyer Kevin Patrick Seaver said the negative attention will not have a direct impact on the majority of child welfare cases in Massachusetts.

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Thomas F. Carr, a former DSS intake officer who now testifies as an expert witness in child welfare cases, said he expects to see an increase in the number of children being removed from homes as a result of recent media attention.

"Historically, they always have been reactionary so I don't know why they wouldn't be now," he said. "I think you'll see some workers making cover-your-backside decisions, and I would bet you anything that we're going to see a rash of cases after the Riley case where the use of medication is an issue."

Lawyers predict business as usual at DSS in wake of high-profile cases... Impact of Poutre, Riley matters seen as negligible

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714 posted on 03/13/2007 4:00:14 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: T'wit

Sure it was a crime. And over and over again Michael has publicly revealed that he is that he is a liar, sadistic, and vindictive - and paranoid as shown by the way he went after Republicans no matter that the senile and/or corrupt Judge Greer is also a Republican and catered to his every whim. Michael seems get great pleasure out of causing pain for others.


715 posted on 03/13/2007 4:01:22 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: All; BykrBayb
Approaching zero for bioethickists...

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Reason and remember

Bioethicist David Wendler of the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, US and colleagues wondered whether a formula could be used to better predict a patient’s wishes. They examined information collected by pollsters and scientists about the attitudes towards medical care held by the general US population.

The data suggested that most people want life-saving treatment if there is at least a 1% chance that following the intervention they would have the ability to reason, remember and communicate. If there is less than a 1% chance, people generally say they would choose not to have the treatment.

“The difference between zero and 1% is all the difference in the world for someone,” says Wendler.

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Question of ethics

However, critics caution that computer algorithms should never supplant human surrogates. “I believe it would be extremely irresponsible to allow machines to make decisions involving life and death,” says Bobby Schindler, brother of Terri Schiavo. Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state for 15 years until she died in 2005 after doctors removed her feeding tube. Her case sparked huge debate in the US.

”If a person becomes incapacitated, is not dying, and can assimilate food and water via a feeding tube, then I believe that we are morally obligated to care for the person and provide them this basic care – regardless of a computer attempting to ‘predict’ what that person’s wishes might be,” Schindler adds.

“Essentially, you would be allowing a machine to determine what is ethical, what is right and wrong, which no machine is able to do.”

Can computers make life-or-death medical decision?

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716 posted on 03/13/2007 4:07:29 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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Seeing Dan Gilg off on the Puffington Host...

Sounds like Terri's Legacy left a mark.

With the rise of the Values Action Team, the Christian Right abandoned long-shot gambits such as eliminating the National Endowment for the Arts and pushing for a Right to Life Amendment to the Constitution. It adopted a more incremental approach to pursuing its agenda, such as helping move legislation that gradually endowed personhood on unborn fetuses as a way to slowly chip away at abortion rights. "It's a much more typical approach of how America deals with social issues," said Senator Sam Brownback, chairman of the Senate VAT, launched a few years after its House counterpart. "It's rare that there's big, revolutionary type change. It's much more of an evolutionary type of process."

Of course, that was before few outside of Florida had heard the name Terri Schiavo.

The Jesus Machine

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717 posted on 03/13/2007 4:15:12 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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The JBS folks weigh in on the Christa Lilly awakening and Terri.

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Ms. Lilly's story brings to mind one of the most remarkable and highly publicized cases of a person in a long-term vegetative state. Terri Schiavo was starved to death in March of 2005 after a Florida judge ordered her feeding tube to be removed. Schiavo had been in a "persistent vegetative state" for years following a stroke, and while her family insisted she responded to their presence, doctors determined that she would likely never recover.

Doctors insist that Ms. Lilly's case was not as severe as Ms. Schiavo's. However, they still cannot explain the bouts of consciousness that Christa Lilly has had over the years. In an interview for Channel 11 KKTV, Lilly's neurologist, Dr. Randall Bjork, commented on Ms. Lilly's bizarre awakenings by saying that he "would predict this would publicize the minimally conscious and perhaps more reporting of the cyclical awakenings."

Colorado Woman Briefly Wakes From a 6 Year Coma

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718 posted on 03/13/2007 4:19:12 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All
More from Life News...

According to news reports last week, a woman named Christa awoke from a supposedly PVS condition over six years and began eating and having conversations with her loved ones. Later, she slipped back into her original condition.

The case brings to mind that of Terri Schiavo, the severely disabled woman whose husband was allowed to legally euthanize her, and 42-year-old Terry Wallis of Arkansas.

Comatose Woman's Awakening Brings Call for More Brain Disability Study

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719 posted on 03/13/2007 4:22:34 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: All; PhilDragoo; EternalVigilance; Gelato
EV's thread continues to stir up a storm of interest and excellent commentary. Ping to the post by Phil Dragoo on #561. Also, see Gelato post #544 and others.

Romney says government was wrong in Schiavo case

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720 posted on 03/13/2007 4:38:12 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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