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How Sandy Berger Paid Back the GOP
World Net Daily ^ | January 29, 2007 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 01/30/2007 3:22:10 AM PST by kellynla

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To: tarheelswamprat
You make a wonderful argument...and I agree with you.

I just knocked that little guy off my shoulder....LOL
141 posted on 01/30/2007 11:37:46 AM PST by Txsleuth (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: sam_paine

Huh? You cut the generators, you cut the power to the recorders, don't you? I remember from reading the NTSB report that the CVR and FDR both stopped at some point after one of the two people in the cockpit shut down the engines (presumably with the fuel cutoff switches). Or maybe that was just the CVR? It's been a while since I stumbled over the report and read it.

}:-)4


142 posted on 01/30/2007 11:39:22 AM PST by Moose4 (I don't speed in Durham--if I get pulled for 65 in a 55, Mike Nifong'll have me doing 15 to life.)
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To: aculeus

Hmm. I'd never heard that before.

It'd be interesting to go back ten years and see what sorts of mid-90s missile systems could be mounted on a smallish boat capable of heading a little ways out into the ocean, and could be concealed while on that boat. IIRC the plane was at about 13,000 feet when the explosion occurred, which is just at or beyond the outer edge of a MANPAD's reach (maybe not newer ones). And larger missiles, using radar guidance, are pretty big. But maybe a radar-guided missile might explain a center-of-mass hit instead of an IR missile, which you'd think, on a 747, would hit a wing, where the engines and heat are. Or, it could have been a bomb, as others in the thread have stated.

There's still more of this story left to be discovered, for sure, whatever the cause of TWA 800's destruction.

}:-)4


143 posted on 01/30/2007 11:43:38 AM PST by Moose4 (I don't speed in Durham--if I get pulled for 65 in a 55, Mike Nifong'll have me doing 15 to life.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

The end of the Republicans in PA was assured once Rendell got the governor's mansion. Rendell is bought and paid for by the unions, as is Arlen Specter. Now the unions have Webb in Va. The unions are getting control of the country, one state at a time (I don't know what other states that they already have). They tried to get the Whitehouse with JFK,but that didn't work out so well. They're going to try again with Obama.


144 posted on 01/30/2007 11:52:37 AM PST by Eva
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To: Northern Yankee

Ask pres. Bush why.


145 posted on 01/30/2007 11:56:54 AM PST by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: kellynla
I think you are totally right about Dick and his ability to snatch our country back from the despicable, destructive, deceptive Demoncrat machine we have been subjected to ever since the rise and reign of the Clinton era...

...but, and it a very big 'BUT', is there any way on earth Dick Cheney could possibly be elected after the vilification he has endured for the past 6 years?

146 posted on 01/30/2007 12:12:41 PM PST by top 2 toe red (~*~ All we have to do is save the Cheerleader?!?!? ~*~)
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To: dynoman

I cant believe the balls on Hillary Clinton. Telling George Bush to clean up the mess in Iraq so the next president wont have it to do. Especially after the mess she and the rapist left for Bush.

She knows she cant handle any of these problems,if she is elected she intends to spend 4 years kissing the World's butt,and destroying any defense we may have.


147 posted on 01/30/2007 12:26:48 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: Moose4
I remember from reading the NTSB report that the CVR and FDR both stopped at some point after one of the two people in the cockpit shut down the engines (presumably with the fuel cutoff switches). Or maybe that was just the CVR?

I wasn't actually arguing with you, just addressing that it's not necessarily a design fault/trick in the backup power.

I don't know exactly how it's designed on a 767, but afaik the CVR/FDR power supplies are or'd together from whatever mains are run from either engine and/or APUs available.

If there's no power from any of those sources, then there's no power for any of the avionics to report anything anyway (e.g. you can't record the yoke positions if there's no power to run the sensors, and you can't run everything off of batteries.)

And even if you did design them to run off backup batteries, then what's to stop the CVR from running its 30-minute loop for 20 minutes after the crash and erasing the events that lead up to a crash? Or for that matter, running for 30 minutes and erasing the whole tape?

So, if they shut down the engines and there's no power anywhere, what's the point of recording data after that?

Or, OTOH, how do you design a CVR/FDR to know when the "event" is over? Can't be x-number of g's, cuz that might happen during a non-crash condition.

Just like when a Dr. calls a body dead when the central nervous system "gives up the ghost," might as well call the flight dead when there's no power.

Again, maybe you didn't mean it as a design deficiency.

148 posted on 01/30/2007 12:32:51 PM PST by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: kellynla

Is the author actually saying that the US Navy shot down the plane? I don't think so. There's no way you could keep the lid on that. NONE. NADA. Too many sailors would know. Sorry, don't buy it...but for those of you who do, I have some land...


149 posted on 01/30/2007 12:57:50 PM PST by Paco
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To: PA-RIVER

How many other 747's had their tank wiring refitted?


150 posted on 01/30/2007 1:33:32 PM PST by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: kellynla

*ping* for later reading.


151 posted on 01/30/2007 2:00:38 PM PST by Ignatz ("I think we should tax all foreigners living abroad.")
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To: kellynla

"...while practicing to intercept a terrorist plane in the kind of crowded air corridor where such an attack would likely occur, Navy missiles accidentally destroyed the 747."

that's a pretty big oops.

It's a good thing we citizens can trust our government.


152 posted on 01/30/2007 2:15:16 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: taxed2death

my money is on "bomb on the plane"

but as one who on more than one occasion was on the receiving end of American friendly fire in Viet Nam...anything is possible...shiite happens!

My issue is with the scumbags in the 'Rat party!!!

Sandy Burglar should be behind bars!

Point, Game, Set, Match!


153 posted on 01/30/2007 2:32:27 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
I recall you were fervently supportive of the official version of the TW800 disaster, but offered only accusations against those with opposing views and no evidence. Who are you, what are your qualifications and who are your sources?
154 posted on 01/30/2007 2:45:57 PM PST by OESY
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve; potlatch

The plot sickens


155 posted on 01/30/2007 3:21:06 PM PST by ntnychik
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To: aculeus
"The suspicion was that people on this boat fired a missile and then fled the scene."

If it was a terrorist act, they would have claimed credit for it.
156 posted on 01/30/2007 3:33:28 PM PST by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle
If it was a terrorist act, they would have claimed credit for it.

Bull. That sort of thing was true of the IRA and is true of ETA (Spain) both of which had/have political objectives: independence. The Islamists simply want to kill Americans. That's their objective.

Was there a claim for credit issued following September 11th?

157 posted on 01/30/2007 3:45:38 PM PST by aculeus
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To: Steve_Seattle

Did Libya "claim credit" for PanAm 103?


158 posted on 01/30/2007 3:47:24 PM PST by aculeus
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To: kellynla
Burglar needs not only a 'lie-detector' test; he needs an injection of 'truth serum'. . .and camera's rolling.

Meantime; who is going to direct the movie? Oh, a problem with financing? Casting?

159 posted on 01/30/2007 4:25:00 PM PST by cricket (Save a Terrorist - join the Democrats/Live Liberal Free; or suffer their consequences)
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To: PA-RIVER
that was 1999 a few years later ... a "mechanical failure" ... just a muslim behind the wheel with 200 plus infidels in the back seat.

. . .bump for the 'infidels'...

160 posted on 01/30/2007 4:32:31 PM PST by cricket (Save a Terrorist - join the Democrats/Live Liberal Free; or suffer their consequences)
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