The Candidate (Rudy Giuliani in NH)

The American Spectator ^ | 1/29/2007 | Philip Klein

[JimFreedom]

The day is young and so far we got 'sick freak' and 'jerk'.
But its only the Rudy fans that abuse the site, hmmmm.

[Fierce Allegiance]

So Rudy didn't turn into Ray Nagin and actually did his job. Got anything else?

Nagin isn't qualified to be president. Does the fact Rudy is way better than Nagin make him qualified?

[Blackirish]

So Rudy didn't turn into Ray Nagin and actually did his job

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You answered my question for me. He did his job. Unlike the current crew of Repubs who got their asses kicked in Nov. Thanks.

[dirtboy]

If we are not free to post in support of Rudy

Please show ONE THING that JimRob said that remotely inferred that Rudy could not be promoted on FR. He just ain't letting y'all have threads that are blocked from critical commentary about Rudy's liberal views. And he's calling some of your cohorts for engaging in blatant liberal attack methods against Rudy critics.

[Fierce Allegiance]

Claiming those who oppose Rudy are KKK members is the action of a sick freak.

If I get suspended for it, so be it. At least it's nothing like claiming the entire side of a debate is murdering racists.

I call them the way i see them. Psycho-freep is a jerk for making such a claim, pure & simple.

[RedRover]

Please read my post.

I said, "As far as I'm concerned, the real debate is over who would be the strongest CIC." I'm happy to hear a debate Duncan Hunter vs Guiliani vs Whoever on that basis.

[dirtboy]

The day is young and so far we got 'sick freak' and 'jerk'.

I love the misplaced sanctimony.

We're talking about someone on your side who implied we were klansmen. And who posted a vile porn graphic.

In case it escapes you, when someone pulls a stunt like that on FR, the terms "sick freak" and "jerk" are not personal attacks, but accurate accessments.

[garv]

The day is young and so far we got 'sick freak' and 'jerk'. But its only the Rudy fans that abuse the site, hmmmm

Those were used in reference to a poster who posted the most vile, disgusting pornography imaginable and then implied other posters were members of the Klan.

[dirtboy]

He's building up the righteous indignation. It's about all they've got left.

[Spiff]

Why don't we just change the Republican Party logo from this:

To this:

You've undoubtedly seen the table I created which details Giuliani's positions compared to the Republican Party Platform. He is opposed to the majority of the platform, instead aligning with Hillary and the Dem platform.

And that's not even talking about specifically conservative values. Those are just the baseline, minimum values that are in the Republican Party platform. As conservatives, we have even stronger values and Giuliani is in opposition to nearly every one. Throwing in the towel over a year before the primary election even starts is total surrender. Yet, that is what you advocate simply because MSM opinion polls mean so much to you and your allegedly conservative values mean so little. We've got time to turn things around and put forward a more acceptable candidate, but that's not going to happen if people like you are so willing to throw in the towel now and start actually promoting the most liberal major Republican presidential candidate in history.

[beltfed308]

Maybe he can ask him the same question 15-20 times :>)

[JimFreedom]

I didn't claim any such thing. If someone called me a KKK member I would just laugh it off because I know definitively that it its a specious argument about my true character, one would wonder why you are being so defensive about it.

[JimFreedom]

I would like to see what is being called PORN I somehow missed that.

[RedRover]

I didn't say I thought Guiliani would be the best CIC. I said I'd love to hear a real debate about who would be the strongest CIC.

I'm impressed that Rudy is the only candidate who is fully backing the war in Iraq and has supported the President's surge. I've never heard Guiliani try to score a cheap point by bashing Bush. I'm also impressed with Guiliani's record as the Mayor of New York City.

Nonetheless, my vote is up for grabs. If I end up believing that Duncan Hunter or anyone else would be the strongest CIC, I would support him.

[RedRover]

More Americans have died in the past month then were ever killed by terrorists.

And when the Islamofascists win, the situation will be better because...?

[JimFreedom]

No actually I am toying with you, you know the gotcha games everyone plays here instead of having substantive discussions.

[Spiff]

I didn't claim any such thing. If someone called me a KKK member I would just laugh it off because I know definitively that it its a specious argument about my true character, one would wonder why you are being so defensive about it.

Are you implying that Fierce Allegiance is a closet racist or KKK member now?

[dirtboy]

No actually I am toying with you, you know the gotcha games everyone plays here instead of having substantive discussions.

Here's a suggestion. If you want a substantive discussion, try starting one instead of playing games.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Two words:

Seminar. Poster.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Thanks for that, Jim. It feels like we're coming apart at the seams out here.