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Posted on 01/29/2007 10:25:38 AM PST by Tolik
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I think this may have already been posted, but it should be re-posted every couple of hours until every FReeper has it memorized! Card absolutely nails it in this essay.
The only thing I can not understand is why he is still a Democrat. Does he have some lib/socialist views on areas other than defense?
What editor let that through?
We'll keep losing until the Islamists make the foolish mistake of attacking/destroying the MSM.
Then we'll magically start winning again. ;)
But even if we "win" in Iraq in the short run, Bush's successor will rapidly hand back any successes. In a few years we'll be right back where we started. If the Iraq war is to be judged a mistake it will be because the American public is no longer capable of supporting the conduct of foreign wars at all.
A Democrat I like.
Nailed it, stapled it, drove a stake through it.
Should be required reading for all sensible Americans.
Forward this to all radio pundits immediately.
I am more cynical than that. I have strong hunch that if it was a Democratic president (Gore, Clinton, Kerry etc) who did EXACTLY the same what Bush did, we'd have no opposition to war to speak of besides a fringe left, that in this case would not have a MSM support, so it would remain fringe and from isolationist right that would be demonized by the MSM and shunned by the mainstream right.
The trick here is that a Dem Pres now would never do everything what Bush did. We have a perfect example of a similar Western democracy going into a war under a center-left government and with mostly non-critical (up to a point) local MSM: I mean Israel fighting Hezbollah in Lebanon the past summer. Of course, regardless of MSM behaving nicely, that center-left Israel government was timid and undesisive, and shocked the country by not winning the war decisevely as it is always expected from IDF. Looks like the problem of Hezbollah was slightly removed but mostly just kicked into a future to deal with again, who knows on what terms.
Finally, a Democrat who is still pro-America.
Whatever happened to Democrats like that?
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Hopefully this part of this great article is wrong. The left hates it, but it is widely accepted that Reagan won the cold war. Someday, long after our current crop of leftist useful idiots has passed, Bush will be credited with turning the tide against Islamic terrorism.
Unfortunately it will take another and perhaps more terrible attack on American soil to wake up the people.
Thanks for the ping. Orson Scott Card absolutely nails the present situation in Iraq and the consequences of supporting or not supporting President Bush, but he should go back and study what has happened to the Democrat party since 1968.
The war that we refuse to fight from a position of relative strength will have to be fought by our children from a position of relative weakness.
"Finally, a Democrat who is still pro-America. Whatever happened to Democrats like that?"
There are still some of us out there. But you sure aren't going to find many of us posting on FR.
Between the mass defections to the GOP in the 80's and 90's and the crass attacks on any and all Democrats by "conservatives" in the years since, it's a wonder that there are any conservative Democrats left.
"The eloquence of a Churchill would fall on deaf ears during these times. The mainstream Democrats are hell bent to surrender in Iraq, the MSM is constantly whipping up anti war sentiments by their biased portrayal of what actually is happening in Iraq and the anti war kooks are now in ascendancy. Few realize that this is a war we dare not lose."
I'd disagree with you, but the problem is you're largely right.
Unfortunately,the exodus of conservatives from the Democratic party in the 80's and 90's resulted in a power vacuum that was filled by the more radical leftists. As a any military tactician could tell you, any retreat should be covered. Conservatives failed to cover their retreat from the Democratic party. And what you see in leadership positions of the Democratic party today is a direct result of that.
Trying to rebuild the basic institutions this fast was a non-starter. Bringing the Baathists back now will just bring in spies and infiltrators.
Taking down the Iraqi army also meant we would have to supply the boots on the ground to suppress the insurgency, but we didn't. Instead, we stayed with "light footprint" which made sense for an occupation, but no sense trying to suppress an insurgency.
A few months of "surge" which will end late summer is unlikely to reverse these mistakes, but I pray I'm wrong.
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