Posted on 01/26/2007 1:44:39 PM PST by shrinkermd
And yet we prosecute and incarcerate our own men for shooting these evil bastards.
"Our desire is to change the Middle East."
"You can't always get what you want.
What does that mean?
It means that our "desire" to change the Middle East means nothing without a plan for doing so, and means commensurate to the plan.
If only we had done something towards that end.
What I meant is that I believe we had to enter the Middle East, and I think that Iraq was the place to be.
That is a key question. The enemy should not be able to remain anonymous. Is there any registration procedure?
The biggest problem in this war on terrorism is people like you.
Suppose these imposters had been captured, interrogated then summarily shot. Would the military members involved been tried by our overpaid legal establishment for murder?
What a country!!!
Sounds like a worthwhile experiment to me, professor. But, ultimatums and blowing up stuff and people that are'nt engaged in the actual act of killing Americans, just kinda, sorta, maybe, helping out others do that, well, we don't do any more. I mean come on, we don;t fight wars any more, its against the UN Charter.
Would'nt want the retht of the world to think we are too nathty and vithciouth to be a member of the community now, would we? They might thay bad thingths about uth or even thanction uth in the UN...
Huh?
be safe and enjoy your time at home
Doogle
All of us on FR and I think most of American knows we could crush these scumbags like bugs without breaking a sweat if we really wanted to. The military has the testicular fortitude to do it but its the PC effin nonsense that is holding us back. Is that A-hole from Time magazine going to do an indepth report on this, hell no!! Is he going to yell and scream that they find out who did this so they are brought up on charges for violating the Geneva Convention, hell no! I wish we would just unleash on these people! You all talk about the atrocities of WW2, there are atrocities in every war, but we were able to fight wide open, not with one hand tied behind our backs. This makes me soooooo mad!!!!
Brother you rage is justified. Killing animals is not against any Holy Law I know of.
I'm willing to bet you never served a day in the military. If you're a bleeding heart liberal, go join the the dims. The only way to win a war is to make the other side suffer.
Yes many here are "bloodthirsty" but IF this enemy is to be defeated then they must have their WILL to fight destroyed. In insurgent type wars it is very hard to destroy their ABILITY to fight - so the will must be destroyed. Now that is where the psychology of the Arab mind come in. They ONLY respect power. When we had the catch and release program they knew they could beat us because we didn't have the stomach to fight on their terms. Many of the same reasons that the NVN thought they could beat us. They were willing to sacrifice literally hundreds of innocents to win their cause. Like wise "religious" causes are even worse - dying for god is glorious and your moms gets a check for it.
Also, if your think that this is the worst war as ever been - forget it. The Crusades had days when thousands died with no medical care. The Knights Templar would kill hundreds of Muslims in one day and not even have one causality near the beginning of their days in the Holy Lands.
Their are also several threads here running about how a small change in US strategy has demoralized a large number of the bad guys. Search those out and follow the source material. Some is directly from people in Iraq that are Iraqi's.
An army's job is to kill people and break things. Peacekeeping is a stupid idea and a waste of lives. Anybody that raises a hand against us should be dealt a swift and deadly blow. The insurgency would run out gas quickly when that is the case.
As bad as it sounds war needs to fought on business like terms. One of the problems with the WOT right now is that we are NOT attriting them fast enough. They make new ones faster than we remove them. This means that the US will ultimately lose this war unless some drastic steps are taken. Not defeatist just looking at it in business terms. When your competition can make and market an acceptable product cheaper and faster than you can your business is done.
In VN I saw literally whole valleys hit with napalm. As soon as the fire was out the Cong would come out of their tunnels from a lunch break and start in all over again.
I'd never heard of that web site, as I don't go looking for things like that.
I read on FR all the time about the media being glad about these atrocities, but as a regular guy, I do not see anything like that in the mainstream (TV or daily local newspapers) media, that is why I asked. I hear a lot of the talk show people carrying on how the liberals hate America, but I have found no evidence of it in what most Americans read or view.
Like I said in my #62, if one looks hard enough, they can find what they want on the web.
I know that. I was answering someone who for some reason wanted to make some sort of conspiracy out of it. I really dislike those types.
Terrific analysis. I did hear something about a secure computer is missing. Perhaps the ultimate goal is to crack into our secure communications net. That also suggests Iranians on the other end of the pipeline,.
As to trusting the Iraqis. I did see some public data where the DIA estimates that 20% of the Iraqi security forces have ties to the insurgents or militias. Among Iraqi interior ministry forces half are assumed to be tied to militias. Some rather daunting numbers to overcome. Indicates Iraqi security forces are penetrated right down to the squad level.
Given this event the trust model between US and Iraqi forces gets dinged pretty badly. Ultimately perhaps that was the tactical goal of the raid. To instill doubt, uncertainty and apprehension about our Iraqi allies.
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