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Imprisoned agent's wife: President is a hypocrite
WorldNetDaily ^ | January 24, 2007 | Jerome R. Corsi

Posted on 01/24/2007 5:51:23 AM PST by NapkinUser

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To: righteousindignation
Yes...The over zealous Sutton is going to cost the US Taxpayers 5 million dollars...paid to the Drug Dealer when he sues us.

It might even be settled out of court, and we won't hear a thing about it..

281 posted on 01/24/2007 12:42:16 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: righteousindignation
ignores the three jurors who stated they caved to pressure because they were told a hung jury was not an option!

This is a great argument for the defense: "Your honor, the conviction should be overturned because the three jurors on our side were stupid."

282 posted on 01/24/2007 12:42:41 PM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: Hatteras

--He's still the leader of this country. He ought to try acting like one.--

Do you really expect the president to step in before the facts are heard?


283 posted on 01/24/2007 12:43:23 PM PST by UpAllNight
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To: TBP
Again, the jurors claim they were misled into thinking that a hung-jury verdict was not possible. Now that is a claim that should wait for a transcript to be published (if the jury instructions are included). Why the rush to believe them now? Didn't I just spend much of the afternoon listening to folks say "wait for the transcript?"
284 posted on 01/24/2007 12:43:44 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: TBP

Everyday almost people are dying in the streets due to gang wars. And lately almost weekly we hear of a cop getting shot.


285 posted on 01/24/2007 12:44:00 PM PST by RichRepublican (Some days you're the windshield--some days you're the bug.)
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To: righteousindignation
your bias is clear and really part of the problem

Hi pot! Meet kettle.

286 posted on 01/24/2007 12:44:30 PM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: calcowgirl
But in the credibilty contest, they are beating Sutton to a pulp.

LOL--and in the real world, Sutton is up 11 to 1, and Compean and Ramos are in prison.

287 posted on 01/24/2007 12:45:23 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Chena

Stay on one topic? This is FR. Surely you jest? :')


288 posted on 01/24/2007 12:46:32 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: ContemptofCourt
This is a great argument for the defense: "Your honor, the conviction should be overturned because the three jurors on our side were stupid."

Because they believed what tehy were told and it was false.

289 posted on 01/24/2007 12:47:57 PM PST by TBP
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To: 1rudeboy; righteousindignation
Incidentally, that's two jurors, not three . . . 'lest the usual suspects on the appropriate thread tomorrow start claiming "I read somewhere that three jurors . . . ."

Why wait for tomorrow? ...THREE Jurors:

Jurors say they were misled to convict agents
Inland Daily Bulletin, October 18, 2006

EL PASO, Texas -- One man and two women on the jury that convicted two former El Paso Border Patrol agents of shooting a drug smuggler in the buttocks last year said they were misled into agreeing with a guilty verdict, according to a motion filed Tuesday.

Mary Stillinger, the lawyer for one of the agents, Ignacio Ramos, thought the jurors' statements should be grounds for setting the verdict aside and having a new trial for Ramos and fellow agent Jose Alonso Compean.

The three jurors, identified in court documents as Robert Gourley, Claudia Torres and Edine Woods, said they were still holding out on a guilty vote by the second day of deliberation.

"I did not think the defendants were guilty of the assaults and civil rights violations," Woods wrote in her sworn affidavit.


290 posted on 01/24/2007 12:48:30 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: ContemptofCourt
"Your Honor, I object! Opposing counsel is presenting evidence detrimental to my case!"

I saw that on TV once, maybe on Ally McBeal.

291 posted on 01/24/2007 12:50:19 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Again, the jurors claim they were misled into thinking that a hung-jury verdict was not possible. Now that is a claim that should wait for a transcript to be published (if the jury instructions are included).

Last I looked, there are no transcripts of jury deliberations.

292 posted on 01/24/2007 12:50:39 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: TBP

Ah, but apparently they didn't do "exactly what they were supposed to do". Other B.P. agents have had to discharge their weapons and have not had to face charges because they stayed within the law and followed the rules. If B.P. agents were finding themselves brought up on charges every year for firing their weapons, etc., then I could see why these two might have panicked. However, that is not the case.


293 posted on 01/24/2007 12:52:24 PM PST by Chena
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To: calcowgirl

That's why I said "jury instructions."


294 posted on 01/24/2007 12:53:01 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: TBP
The agents had three stupid jurors on their side. Hey, it happens.

"Essentially, when they saw they could not convince the majority in favor of voting guilty, they conceded their votes, believing that they did not have the option to stick to their guns and prevent a unanimous verdict," Stillinger wrote in the motion.

Gourley said he thought the foreman was relating something he heard directly from the judge and when he found no mention on hung juries in the court's printed instructions, "I had no reason to doubt the foreman," he wrote.

After the trial, Gourley told the media that he felt pressured by other jurors who wanted to resume their normal lives after more than two weeks of trial. He also said he thought 10 years in prison was a grossly inappropriate punishment for the agents.

"Had we had the option of a hung jury, I truly believe the outcome may have been different," he said.

The third juror, Woods, wrote, "I don't remember exactly what it was that made me change my vote to guilty on these charges, but I know I was very influenced by my belief, based on the other juror's statement, that we could not have a hung jury. I think I might not have changed my vote to guilty if I had known that was an option."

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4508579

I have never seen a jury verdict overturned becase a juror was too stupid to stick to their convictions.

295 posted on 01/24/2007 12:55:24 PM PST by ContemptofCourt
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To: Chena
Chena..I am not saying "mistakes" weren't made. I am saying I don't give a rats tiny behind about a low life Drug Dealer, who not only broke our immigration laws, but did so to smuggle illegal and harmful drugs into our Nation.

We have put the wrong people in jail. This in itself is a total out rage.

Some laws were meant to be broken...and if Ramos and Campeon broke one in an attempt to stop the perp..then we can and should make allowances.

After all, aren't allowances (excuses) made every single day for the poor Illegal immigrants who enter our country? Bush does it and he wants to pardon THEM..

296 posted on 01/24/2007 12:55:59 PM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: calcowgirl

Good Lord. My Inland Daily Bulletin article says two jurors (but it's older than yours). And I have a Townhall.com column written three weeks ago that says "two."


297 posted on 01/24/2007 12:56:01 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Don't forget Agent Juarez' testimony...

In fact, Border Patrol Agent Juarez, who was at the scene, testified at trial that he did not draw his pistol because he did not believe there was a threat. He also testified that Aldrete did not have a weapon and was almost to Mexico when Agent Compean began firing at him.

In their sworn testimony, Agent Compean and Agent Juarez both testified that Aldrete did have his hands in the air in an effort to surrender.


298 posted on 01/24/2007 12:56:16 PM PST by deport
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To: wtc911
"A private person acting on his own account may use physical force, other than deadly physical force, upon another person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes such to be necessary to effect an arrest or to prevent the escape from custody of a person whom he reasonably believes to have committed an offense and who in fact has committed such offense;"

Thank you for posting this information. I do note that it says, "...other than deadly physical force", and "...whom he reasonably believes to have committed an offense AND who in fact has committed such offense;"

If I am understanding this Statute correctly, a private person may use "physical force" but NOT "deadly physical force". And that the word, "and", is used in the sentence about "..he reasonably believes...".

299 posted on 01/24/2007 12:56:30 PM PST by Chena
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To: ContemptofCourt

Not only that, but it appears (emphasis on that word, please) that the jurors in the portion you cited thought the agents were guilty, but disagreed with the length of the sentence. Do jurors know the length of the sentence when deliberating? Honest question.


300 posted on 01/24/2007 12:59:24 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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