Posted on 01/23/2007 4:45:40 PM PST by STARWISE
Edited on 01/23/2007 6:37:01 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]
NO PROBLEM CT!!!!
I'll go back and look. Maybe if I had a Jack Bauer handbag, I'd find it easier!!!!
Please do not compare him to LBJ and Viet Nam again. That is insulting to the troops.
I am supporting our troops, not insulting them, if you would think here. I'm saying they should not have to fight a PC war with one hand tied behind their backs. Get it right.
Good grief, is right! I don't know what is happening lately but I do know it isn't a good thing.
"So, do you collect social security and medicare?"
Sorry to disappoint you, but neither. I'm not old enough for medicare or social security at this point, and I've never been on welfare in my life. Worked since I was about 11 years old. And yourself?
Yes, saw you acknowledged it earlier in the thread - but didn't see that until after I had posted the info....am just now catching up with the current posts. And it is late here!!! Off to sleep soon. I understand what you are saying about the healthcare plan. I still want more information. As many have said, it really is doa with the Dems....and we also know with the same certainty that Hillarycare could be a mere few months away .......unless she/they are stopped. and THAT should give pause to EVERYONE who has decent health insurance now.
You are correct about the possible result of his plan. But your consequence does not in any way negate the fact that it is simple fairness, and is giving people the same tax deduction.
Right now, my taxes are paying for part of your health care costs. If your plan is worth more than $15,000, under Bush's plan my taxes would pay a little less of the costs for your plan, and you would pay more of it. In exchange, people who right now have to pay ALL of their health care costs would now get some of my tax money to pay for their health care plans. I'm upset, but not too upset because at least my taxes didn't go UP to pay their health care costs.
And it's fairer, because now the government subsidy is spread out to all people doing the same thing (buying health insurance), not targetted to people who buy employee health insurance.
But you are completely correct about the harm to you. You and your employer realised that if the employer just paid you a big salary, and you took some of the money and bought insurance, the government would tax you on your pay. You further realised that, by having the employer make a health plan, and having you buy it from them, you could "make more money" in that the govermment would pay part of the cost for your health care by forgiving some of the tax that you would normally owe for what you are being paid.
Bush is seeking to limit that type of income redistribution to under $15,000, removing some of the incentive for you and your employer to construct odd arrangements simply to cut your tax burden.
In the absense of tax deductions, would it make ANY SENSE for your employer to also be your health care insurance provider? After all, you don't buy your car insurance from them. They don't pay for your house, or buy your groceries. (old company-store type employment did that, to the detriment of workers).
Your employer should focus on whatever business they are in, and should pay you a straight salary equal to the value of the work you do for them. The government should tax you based on a fair assessment on the money you make, in order to fund appropriate government functions. You should then spend your money the way you see fit, without government paying you to spend money the way THEY want you to spend it.
One little sidebar. My grandfather kept the founder of ciropractery out of the Outing Club in Davenport, with a "black ball." He considered him a dangerous quack, and a clear and present danger to the health of the citizens. Cheers.
Just saw the replay for the first time and it looked like John Kerry was the first to run onto the aisle and dart out of the place.
What, are you and nopardons a tag team?
It's been a while since I saw that. THANKS!!!!
I think I pay more than $5000 a year for just my payments into the plan -- that doesn't include the money my employer pays, which I think is 3 times that. It is quite possible I'm getting $20,000 a year of medical insurance.
But I admit it's a pretty good insurance.
So you retired early? Congrats! Once you hit 65 or 66 do you plan on collecting social security and medicare? I ask this since all retirement medical benefits are contingent on you accepting Medicare as your primary insurance.
"You are as bad as the Dims, no ideas, no agenda, just rabble rousing......"
And you are a waste of my time. Buzz off.
ROFL! Nopardons and I have had our share of disagreements in the past so we can hardly be called a "tag team". Too funny! The difference would be that we can disagree with each other while still being civil to one another. FRiends do not have to agree on every single topic posted. :_
Since 9/11 (8 months after he took office) he has had to bear the weight of the world on his shoulders. No one here really understands the strength he has to have.
.......Nor the chilling threat matrix he reads every morning, at the crack of dawn.
It mostly sounds good, but why wouldn't the insurance companies see the individual employed people as new marks just like they see the companies in your scenario? Why does health insurance have to be offered through employement, when everybody needs it whether they are employed or not?
Companies offered health care to workers becaucse it was a way to get around paying taxes. Some would say that using tax dollars to encourage people to buy health care is a good thing. Unfortunately, such thinking also justifies socialized health care.
If there was no tax advantage, there'd be less reason for employees to offer health care, and instead they'd pay more in salary, or offer other benefits that make more sense for an employer to offer.
BTW, I realise that most people get life insurance through a company plan, but again I think that's beause, up to a certain amount, the government allows it to be deducted from corporate taxes.
In case you didn't catch it when I said this earlier, I've been pushing for a plan somewhat like Bush's for several years now, which is why I have a firm opinon of the CONCEPT even though I haven't seen the details of his plan.
"Tag team"......"TAG TEAM"? ROTFLOL
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