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**LIVE Thread - State of the Union Address [starting at approx. comment 400]
http://www.cspan.org/ ^ | 1-23-07

Posted on 01/23/2007 4:45:40 PM PST by STARWISE

Edited on 01/23/2007 6:37:01 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: HitmanLV
It's $7,500 for a single person and $15,000 for a couple and it's a TAX DECUCTION.
2,341 posted on 01/23/2007 8:07:57 PM PST by nopardons
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To: El Gato

Kerry Lied


Millions Died

2,342 posted on 01/23/2007 8:08:07 PM PST by null and void (<----- Shocked and odd...)
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To: flaglady47

"I suggest you read Bush's health insurance plan yourself and make up your own mind as to whether it is redistributing the wealth or not, because it it."

Do you have a link to the plan? If so, please post it...along with your own plans to solve our health insurance problems and the mounting health care costs and entitlement programs that are driving the small businessman out of business and the large corporate employers overseas!!


2,343 posted on 01/23/2007 8:08:14 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: sam_paine
Typical moron leaving a tight game in the 3rd quarter to miss the traffic.

Tight game? We're supposedly the most powerful nation on earth and we let the third-world push us around, and it pisses me off.

2,344 posted on 01/23/2007 8:08:15 PM PST by Penner
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To: politicalwit
Pssssst !

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2,345 posted on 01/23/2007 8:08:47 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: whatisthetruth
She did look good (at least the top half anyway)and appeared to be quite well-rested, a definite improvement over this.

You've .. GOT .. to .. be .. kidding!!

Apparently, you didn't see it when the cameras caught the smirking, pissed Hitlery!

2,346 posted on 01/23/2007 8:08:49 PM PST by RocketMan1
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To: samantha

lmao.....yes he does!


2,347 posted on 01/23/2007 8:09:10 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: samantha

ROFL!!!!! Priceless .. and true .. LOL


2,348 posted on 01/23/2007 8:09:40 PM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: politicalwit

Amen!


2,349 posted on 01/23/2007 8:09:48 PM PST by StoneWall Brigade (THIS IS THE CALL OF THIS GENERATION. THIS IS AMERICA'S HOUR. SEN. RICK SANTORUM)
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To: sam_paine
You just nailed it all! LOL

Too bad your new term never took. I must admit to never having seen it before.

2,350 posted on 01/23/2007 8:09:49 PM PST by nopardons
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To: flaglady47

I disagree with the characterization of even tax treatment as "income redistribution". Why shouldn't every citizen who pays taxes get the same deduction, and what is "redistributing" about saying that a tax deduction will only be available for the first X-thousand dollars you spend on your health care insurance?

Most everything I buy for myself, I buy with post-tax dollars. When the government gives tax breaks, sure I'll use them, but they smack of social engineering, trying to bribe me into doing what THEY want.

For example, you can get a tax deduction for buying a hybrid care, but not for the full price, only for part of the cost of the car. And only the first 80,000 sold by each manufacturer, so they aren't encouraging people to OWN the cars so much as paying off each manufacturer when they get around to MAKING the cars, by making it easier for people to buy them.

But it's hardly income redistribution because the guy who buys a lexus hybrid gets a $3000 deduction on a $40,000 car, and the guy who buys a civic hybrid gets the same $3000 deduction on a $20,000 car.

So why is it "redistribution" if one person gets a $10,000 deduction for the $10,000 they pay for a bare-bones health insurance policy, and another person spends $20,000 of their money for a top-notch health insurance and gets to deduct $15,000 of that cost?

Let me illustrate another way. Suppose I pay $15,000 for insurance that includes dental, but doesn't cover braces. So I pay $6000 in after-tax dollars for the braces, which means I had to earn $9000 to pay or it after giving government their 33%.

Another person buys a $21,000 policy that fully covers braces. They only had to earn $6000 to pay for the braces, because their 6000 from an employer-sponsored health care benefit was pre-tax dollars.

Under the president's plan, both people will now get the SAME TAX BREAK. That's not "income redistribution", that's actually TAX FAIRNESS.

And I say this as someone who is quite likely to be paying taxes on my health care benefits.


2,351 posted on 01/23/2007 8:09:50 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: STARWISE

LOLOLOL~~~~~


2,352 posted on 01/23/2007 8:09:52 PM PST by jaycee
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To: null and void; Windcatcher
Someone has read Harry Turtledove (grin)

I have, but I don't recall that line. I thought it was new.

It's also part of Star Trek lore. Spock's Vulcan nictating menbranes saved his eyesight in an episode from Star Trek-TOS.

2,353 posted on 01/23/2007 8:10:30 PM PST by tarheelswamprat (So what if I'm not rich? So what if I'm not one of the beautiful people? At least I'm not smart...)
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To: La Enchiladita; beaversmom
You ladies have such strength...I flipped around and when I saw them, I had to turn the TV off.

I thought Hill looked sickeningly sweet, trying to be very pretty in pink. Her hairdresser must have had the night off.

The Queen, however, did look good. Her outfit was blah but her makeup was pretty. Charlie surely jests when he says America tuned in to see her! (When half the population doesn't even know who the VP is!) I'm sure Herself was NOT amused at that comment, either.
2,354 posted on 01/23/2007 8:10:32 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: STARWISE

BTTT


2,355 posted on 01/23/2007 8:10:35 PM PST by Chuck54 (...as for me and my house we will support this President.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

*sigh* yeah. Dumb of me.


2,356 posted on 01/23/2007 8:10:50 PM PST by null and void (<----- Shocked and odd...)
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To: DocRock

j"veritas is a patriot and has done more than anyone I know in regard to helping fight the good fight, so please take a few minutes to look into his work regarding recovered documents in Iraq and how we can use them to remain a conservative republic."

DocRock, I do believe I know this is the guy that is translating the arabic docs that were put on-line by the gov't. Good for him and bless him for doing it. However, this is a thread about the Prez's speech tonite, not the good acts of various Freepers. It appears to have been unfortunate for my having chosen his comment out of the hat for me to do my response to about Bush's "health insurance plan." Instead of responding to the idea, the response was to defense of jveritas. That's unfortunate, and appears to be the theme of tonite's thread, short on analysis, long on comments about people, Pelosi's eyes, who stood and who didn't, the facial looks some made, and therefore the speech itself and its contents got lost. That is, until the end, when all of the Bush (I'll say avid supporters this time) cheered and clapped and I maintain heard little of what he actually said. That's my take.


2,357 posted on 01/23/2007 8:10:55 PM PST by flaglady47 (thinking out loud)
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To: All

I have to tell you guys. The Democrats kissing John Warner's butt is completely overdone and I plan on calling his office and asking why he wants us to fail in Iraq.
They sure do love a RINO for their talking points!
For the SOTU, he is effectively playing the role of McCain...now that McCain has to hide his true colors for the Pandering Express.


2,358 posted on 01/23/2007 8:11:11 PM PST by JerseyDvl ("If you attack Americans, we'll defend your right to do it."- The Democrat Party)
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To: RocketMan1
Apparently, you didn't see it when the cameras caught the smirking, pissed Hitlery

She had the same look on hr face as she did last year

2,359 posted on 01/23/2007 8:11:40 PM PST by Mo1 (Mrs. Bill Clinton - "We're going to take what you have and give it to others for the common good.")
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To: flaglady47; All


So flag, this is all you had to say in the beginning... with the link:

I suggest you read Bush's health insurance plan yourself and make up your own mind as to whether it is redistributing the wealth or not.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/healthcare/

Was that hard? It's called discussion and views. The derogatory comments aren't necessary.


2,360 posted on 01/23/2007 8:11:57 PM PST by AliVeritas (Stop Global Dhimming. Demand testicular fortitude from the hill. Call the crusade.)
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