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Posted on 01/20/2007 6:20:34 AM PST by Ladycalif
They're professionals. They know the odds are that a Hispanic male driving a van full of marijuana across the border and then running south again to avoid capture is likely an illegal alien.
And, it turns out, that is just what he was.
Yep got some ice in our neck of the woods also.... damn cold and mixed with rain and sleet. Hey I'm getting some property taxes back for the past couple of years and the school dist. just gave the Sup a $11k raise. Sorry about the socio economic downturn out your way.
Not reporting a firing of your weapon is only a 5 day suspension. These guys are going to prison for a long time. They didn't know davila was injured, he jumped into a van that was already there and waiting for him.
Did you know agent Sanchez, who started this was a childhood friend of davalia? Sanchez I might add, is a mexican born US border agent. It's Sanchez that needs to be investigated and his connections to a known drug runner.
Sutton: No, that's not accurate. There was another Border Patrol agent, agent Juarez, who was at the scene. Juarez witnessed Aldrete-Davila surrender there in the ditch.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1770951/posts
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Why would a Mexican drug runner's mother call the mother-in-law of a US Border Patrol agent and tell her that her son was shot by the Border Patrol after dumping a million dollars worth of marijuana? And, how would she know her? And, finally, why would she finger her own son? Logic suggests if such a conversation actually occurred, the US attorney should have been more curious how the drug runner's mother knew the mother-in-law of a Border Patrol agent, and whether or not she or her son-in-law had any personal "ties" to the drug runner. Clearly, if Aldrete's mother in Mexico has ties with Sanchez's mother-in-law in the United States, you would think both the Border Patrol and the DEA would have wanted to tap both phones to see who Aldrete-Davila and Sanchez were talking to—both in the United States and Mexico.
Hi JCEccles. Are you implying that "professionals" (meaning border agents and law enforcement officials) can shoot at someone based on the "odds"? FWIW, the agents did NOT know FOR A FACT that the man who was driving that van was an illegal nor that the van was full of marijuana. If I am wrong about that, please advise. I do want to know the facts of this case. :)
What kind of sensor? I'm don't recall that.
I believe I heard that if these agents had done their duty and reported the incident, including the firing of their weapons, it is possible that they would have received a suspension. However, for them to even receive a 5 day suspension, someone would have had to determine that they were WRONG in the actions that they took.
I would bet that Sanchez has been investigated. But I don't konw that for a fact.
As soon as I posted that I went looking through my bookmarks to find it. If I can't pull it up I'll ask the mod to pull that post.
I believe I heard that if these agents had done their duty and reported the incident, including the firing of their weapons, it is possible that they would have received a suspension.
True. That's SOP where they(BP) are concerned. Also some sort of in-house punishment, I believe they said. Very low-key stuff.
I would bet that Sanchez has been investigated. But I don't konw that for a fact.
It would have to be an independent investigation. Someone with no ties whatsoever with any person or agency involved in this case. If they dig, they might find something they're not supposed to find. That could be dangerous for them. There's too much going on at our borders concerning drugs and our politicians refusing to shut them down tight. I bet billions of dollars a year come across, that's mighty tempting for corrupt and greedy politicians to turn away from.
Thank you for the information. I agree that there has got to be an awful lot of corruption going on concerning the border. I'm hoping there is a trustworthy reporter, or investigator, checking on some of these people as we speak. The last thing I want is for an innocent person to spend time behind bars. Unfortunately, it doesn't look as if the agents were completely innocent. But still...that sentence seems to be at the far end of the spectrum of punishment, IMO.
RAMOS: To us, after many years of voting this area, when there's a vehicle away from a sensor and people running back south from that sensor, it usually means -- to us, that usually means that's a narcotics load.
I had never heard nor read that before. Thanks for finding that information for me. I'll keep the border agents and their families in my prayers and pray that justice will be served for all.
If you find anymore facts or new information, please ping me. This is one of those situations where I'd rather be wrong than right. Good evening. :)
CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Border Patrol agent Ignacio Ramos shows us the Texas road where he first encountered a suspected Mexican drug smuggler last year.
IGNACIO RAMOS, BORDER PATROL AGENT: As soon as they passed me here, I just did a U-turn and followed them into town.
WIAN: Ramos and other agents followed his van which had earlier had tripped a hidden sensor near the border through the tiny town of Fabens, and then back toward the border.
RAMOS: To us, after many years of voting this area, when there's a vehicle away from a sensor and people running back south from that sensor, it usually means -- to us, that usually means that's a narcotics load.
Sorry about that.
I'll ping you if I find anything further in my bookmarks.
"but I completely disagree with those who think these two border agents should not have faced charges for their actions"
The actions these agents were charged for should have been at most a 5 day administrative suspension.
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At this point I do not take either statement with much gravity.
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Prior to becoming United States Attorney, Mr. Sutton served as an Associate Deputy Attorney General at the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, D.C., and as a Policy Coordinator for the Bush-Cheney Transition Team assigned to the Department of Justice.